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SC Official Fri Jan 17, 2020 09:10am

Cincinnati-Memphis Verticality and T
 
Can someone post the sequence at 3:31 in the second half where a Memphis defender walls up and then the Cincinnati coach gets whacked during a Memphis fastbreak?

Looked like a great no-call to me and of course Bilas thought it was a foul. I would have preferred to see the T withheld until the transition play was over, however.

JRutledge Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:07am

Here is the play (Video)
 
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Peace

LRZ Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:28am

"Video Unavailable. This video is private."

MOVBlue Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:46am

So the defender was vertical until after the offense made contact but then he reaches with the right hand and arm forward to block the shot -- may have made contact with the arm and if he did at that point I have that as a foul. Pretty good verticality until he moves his hand and arm to block -- and that movement wasn't a product of the offensive players contact. You see it really will in the slo-mo #55 is who I reference.

JRutledge Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1036825)
"Video Unavailable. This video is private."

Can you see it now?

Peace

BillyMac Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:59am

Different Sense ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1036828)
Can you see it now?

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.U...=0&w=222&h=173

JRutledge Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOVBlue (Post 1036827)
So the defender was vertical until after the offense made contact but then he reaches with the right hand and arm forward to block the shot -- may have made contact with the arm and if he did at that point I have that as a foul. Pretty good verticality until he moves his hand and arm to block -- and that movement wasn't a product of the offensive players contact. You see it really will in the slo-mo #55 is who I reference.

The question is "why"? Does the Offensive Initiate Contact make the defender's arms come forward?

I'm going to give the defender the benefit of the doubt on this one. I have seen players that are much worse if a defender is trying to block a shot at the last minute like in this play.

I think it is a solid no call.

Peace

LRZ Fri Jan 17, 2020 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1036828)
Can you see it now?

Peace

Yes, thank you, that worked.

Raymond Fri Jan 17, 2020 03:15pm

I see the defender swinging his arm down on his own volition, not from the initial contact.

MechanicGuy Fri Jan 17, 2020 04:20pm

I've got a foul here too. Same reasons as others. Great d until he attempted to meet the ball and missed

sdoebler Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1036843)
I see the defender swinging his arm down on his own volition, not from the initial contact.

Tough to make out perfectly but I think that 55 was vertical and legal. I believe 23 white takes no contact from the offense and swings down to block the shot. Looks like contact with the arm but ref would have a better look.

Raymond Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1036930)
Tough to make out perfectly but I think that 55 was vertical and legal. I believe 23 white takes no contact from the offense and swings down to block the shot. Looks like contact with the arm but ref would have a better look.

I can't re-watch the video while at work, but as I remember it, #55 swings down well after the initial contact, not as a reflex to the contact.


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