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Purdue v Michigan - Travel Missed?
Michigan player Xavier Simpson receives a pass with both feet on the floor...he then takes a small "hop" where both feet hit the floor at the same time, then raises to take shot...releases the ball and returns to the floor.
No call was made by the C....did they get it right or kick it? I'm trying to understand it. Either foot can be the pivot foot...I want to say they kicked this? Thoughts... http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=28455496 Edit to put up ESPN video |
The Bunny Hop (The Ray Anthony Orchestra, 1952) ...
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Billy...I don't think you're wrong in your call...I would call it as well... This is why I posted it...I may be over thinking it based on the fact that catching the ball with both feet, either may become the pivot foot. I'm sure there is more specific wording in the rule book (that I don't have in front of me at work) pertaining to moving both feet......With that said, this is the classic old school playground rule "up and down" :p I'm trying to find rationale for NOT calling it (as the C official in that game passed on it) but without rule or case book in front of me, along with massive head cold that has me looped up on cold meds...I may just be off my rocker today. :D |
Actually, It's Up 'N Down ...
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Yes it is a travel. Also I believe that exact play (bunny hop) is a POE.
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Reminds me of Marques Johnson's line in White Men Can't Jump...."I'mma go to my car....get my gun...and shoot all you M***** F****!" |
Do The Bunny Hop, Hop, Hop, Hop ...
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Traveling. The traveling rule has not changed; however, the committee is still concerned that the rule is not being properly enforced. Consequently, offensive players are gaining a tremendous advantage. Areas of specific concern are: the spin move, the step-through move, the jump stop, perimeter shooters taking an extra “hop” prior to releasing the try and ball handlers lifting the pivot foot prior to releasing the ball on the dribble. The key to determining the legality of those moves is to first find the pivot foot. Then, if the player moves a foot or the feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits, a traveling violation has occurred. Officials must know the rule, find the pivot foot and improve call accuracy; coaches must demand that players execute this skill properly, especially in practice; players must continue to develop this basic skill and practice performing legal moves. Guidelines for Teaching and Officiating A. Determine the pivot foot immediately. B. At the start of the dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot foot is lifted. C. After the dribble has ended, the player may lift pivot foot, but must release the ball on a pass or shot before the pivot foot returns to floor. D. A player may never take two steps while in possession of the ball. |
Bunny Hop isnt called in this state at any level. Most travels are not called in this state. Very few call the extra step that allows the offensive player to get past good defense.
His bunny hop helped the defense get closer and block the shot. It only hurts the shooter and gives them no advantage. I am not going to be that guy cuz in Rome they do not call it. I am ok not calling it. If they jump to the left or right to avoid a defender thats the easiest call in the world to make. If we are telling ourselves that we call every travel we see by rule every game every night.. Id like the game film. If also bet if you watched the entire game or other college games you would see this is passed on a lot more than it is called. Just my two cents. I love this forum. |
Rocky Horror
Let's do the Time Warp again.
At one time it was a violation. Not any more???? Are we now following the Rule, if it is a smooth athletic move then it must be legal? |
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Playing devils advocate... ;) |
Technically, a bunny hop is no different than a jump shooter who never releases the try and comes back down to the court with the ball.
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I had some guys at work going because I am a Michigan fan and they are IU guys....I keyed in on/argued about establishing a pivot foot to determine travel and got them thinking :D Technically, I guess 44-1 where it says A Player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor may pivot using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot. 44-4 does say one or both may be lifted but not returned to the floor before ball is released....but it also is preceded by After coming to stop and neither foot can be a pivot |
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Why Not ???
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By official interpretation (by interpreters, assigners, evaluators, trainers, camp clinicians, trained observers, etc.)? Is this how your rookies are trained? Is this how you answer questions on written exams? Or by younger officials who have observed veteran officials who have observed older veteran officials, etc., making the same call incorrectly over and over and over again? Quote:
The extra step allows the shooter to get his timing and balance down and allows him to more comfortably make the shot. Maybe the shooter believes that the closer (even a little) one is to the basket, the higher one's shooting percentage is going to be. Maybe the shooter believes that the extra forward momentum gives a little more distance to his shot, making it easier to reach the basket? These are all advantages that are definitely not intended by rule. Maybe he expected to release the ball before he landed and made a mistake, creating a violation? Maybe he mistakenly thought he caught the ball while airborne, creating a violation? That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Now could somebody please help me down from this soapbox, I'm getting dizzy up here. And of course, as usual for any basketball rules interpretation, mechanic, etc., when in Rome (or Salt Lake City) ... |
When I See It, I Call It ...
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Every game. Every night. Consistently. Never ignore. Never pass. Never consider advantage/disadvantage on a travel. Sometimes I make a mistake by calling it. Sometimes I make a mistake by not calling it. But when I see it, I call it. And when I don't see it, I don't call it. If I'm unsure, I don't call it. |
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I can think of several times in my career where I, along with my partners, passed on players traveling all over the court. Some players have severe mental/physical impairments that are quickly recognized by everyone. The situation was such that everyone, specifically the player, was just happy to be part of the game. Of course, the players traveling resulted in zero advantage. Those are some of my fondest memories. Everyone instantly recognized the true spirit of the game. |
Special Olympics ...
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https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.W...=0&w=251&h=131 |
I think in any rule set this is a travel.
If he catches on 1 he can hope to 2. (For us in Fiba he could 1-2 and hop to 2 and shoot it because its really 0-1 - Hop) Lets stay focused though. It is illegal to catch with both feet down and then hop to both feet again and hop up to shoot it. The tricky elements here are from the first few i thought it looked bad but wasn't sure, from the 2nd view I was definitely sure. There are no officials with either of those views the official with the best look at it may be a little screened out by the shooters body in terms of when the ball hits/hands vs when its actually caught and what his feet are doing when . . . I think in real time its a missed but not a terrible one. On this forum and IRL we are routinely told if the travel is your best call your not a great official, Most coaches/players/AD's/ and even some assignors do not want games where tons of travels are called (whether its the right call or not) and want you 100% certain when you call one. The NCAA and NFHS are the only two major rule sets to not adopt the 0 step rule used by the pros and internationally to allow more athletic and dynamic movements (see: call less travels on athletes making exciting plays). As a result more of these type of plays at all levels and rule sets show up and get let go . . . So to be clear: - Upon review its a travel. - It should be a travel but is one that can be easily missed or overlooked take it up with your particular embassy of Rome to see how you should be responding locally. |
Sensory overload...
My partner and I recently officiated a varsity girls game; in our pre-game we in fact did mention the "bunny-hop" "gather-step" / "micro-hop step" that female players frequently do prior to releasing their jump-shot/set-shot. I recall that we adamantly vowed to each other that we would call these ''travels" bcz we felt we were doing the players' skill development a dis-service if we kicked these predictable calls. Imagine that! [viz: "caring about the kids"].
Well so, the game tips off and we both nail both teams for travel calls after about 3 or 4 possessions--maybe twice on each team for doing the bunny-hop; however, neither team seemed to adjust their foot actions and the players continued to do the "mini bunny hop" when shooting set shots. Then a funny thing happened, as the 1st half progressed we noticed that we "passed" on calling this violation. Even when it was noticeably a bunny-hop violation. At half-time we spoke about the fact that we had "let slide" a few travels; moreover, neither coach complained. We agreed to enforce the bunny hop travel in second half; however, we noticed that after one or two times of calling it, then we still let it slide on subsequent possessions. I say all of this to propose that "sensory overload" coupled to our "prejudiced expectation that female players will do this action and it should be excused or else you'll have a very, very choppy game flow" contributed to our reluctance to keep calling this violation---we had seen it sooo much that our eyes became sensitized to it. Additionally, since neither coach seemed to mind if we called it or not--then there was no real "impetus" to put a whistle on it. |
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