0 and 00 and more

Valley Man · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 06:49am

You are not permitted to use 6, 7, 8, and 9. You are not permitted to have 0 and 00.

Why are those not illegal uniforms and penalized when we verify the books? I understand you may not participate with those numbers without penalty, but I have trouble verifying a book with those in it.

Rationale to continue is "Hey coach you cant have 0 and 00 uniforms, but hey if they both play you get a T" 0 starts and when 00 checks a direct T to coach for illegal uniform .. THEN THEY PLAY .. shouldn't the rule read you may not have 0 and 00 "without penalty"?

Thoughts?

Nevadaref · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Man

You are not permitted to use 6, 7, 8, and 9. You are not permitted to have 0 and 00.

Why are those not illegal uniforms and penalized when we verify the books? I understand you may not participate with those numbers without penalty, but I have trouble verifying a book with those in it.

Rationale to continue is "Hey coach you cant have 0 and 00 uniforms, but hey if they both play you get a T" 0 starts and when 00 checks a direct T to coach for illegal uniform .. THEN THEY PLAY .. shouldn't the rule read you may not have 0 and 00 "without penalty"?

Thoughts?

Actually, that is the rule!

3-4-3d. Each team member must be numbered on the front and back of the team jersey with plain Arabic numerals. The following numbers are legal: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 00, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55. A team member list must not have both numbers 0 and 00.

Nevadaref · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:13am

Do not confuse using an illegal number on a jersey, such as 6, 7, or 8, with supplying an improper team roster to the scorer. They are two different rules.

The illegal number on a jersey situation does require the team member to participate in order to warrant a direct technical foul to the head coach. The improper team list scenario does not require any participation. The penalty is also different as it would be a team technical foul.

Valley Man · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:52am

YEP! Thanks for making me re-read. So there is no penalty for 0/00 because you must not have it (one has to go).

Raymond · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Do not confuse using an illegal number on a jersey, such as 6, 7, or 8, with supplying an improper team roster to the scorer. They are two different rules.

The illegal number on a jersey situation does require the team member to participate in order to warrant a direct technical foul to the head coach. The improper team list scenario does not require any participation. The penalty is also different as it would be a team technical foul.

It's actually an administrative technical foul, though it is a distinction without any difference.

BillyMac · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 09:12am

Numbers shall adhere to the following: Each team member shall be numbered on the front and back of the
team jersey with plain Arabic numerals. The following numbers are legal: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 00, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55. A team member list shall not have both numbers 0 and 00.

A team shall not: Have identical numbers on team members and/or players. Penalized when discovered.

The head coach shall not permit a team member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform. Penalized when discovered.

By rule, are 0 and 00 considered to be identical numbers?

Can one begin a game (ten minute mark or jump ball) with the officials being aware both a 0 and 00 in the book, but not necessarily participating (playing in the game)?

After the ten minute mark, but before the jump ball, to whom is the technical foul charged if there is both a 0 and 00 discovered in the book?

If both bench personnel (have not yet played) 0 and 00 are in the book which is discovered after the jump ball, to whom is the technical foul charged?

Do both 0 and 00 have to play (participate as players in the game) for either type of technical foul, team or head coach, to be charged?

Can it ever occur that both a team technical foul and a head coach technical foul are charged in the same game for 0 and 00 in the book and both playing later in the game?

After technical fouls, or either type, are charged, can both 0 and 00 then "legally" participate (play in the game) (unlike identical numbers, which I believe, can never both play in the game)?

I'm so confused that I don't even know how to ask all the permutations of my questions.

Help.

I'm so confused.

Can someone please shed some light on this purely academic (probably won't happen in a real game) situation?

Any simple reminders?

Valley Man · #7 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 11:06am

Too funny .. thanks BillMac

Raymond .. I do check the books early to warn off penalties thanks for the reminder.

Combining both posts from you guys

"Coach you have a 7 in the book, if they play it is a T you know this correct?"
and

"Coach you have a 0 and a 00 in the book those are identical numbers and one has to change."

Raymond · #8 (**permalink**) Wed Dec 11, 2019, 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Man

You are not permitted to use 6, 7, 8, and 9. You are not permitted to have 0 and 00.

Why are those not illegal uniforms and penalized when we verify the books? I understand you may not participate with those numbers without penalty, but I have trouble verifying a book with those in it.

...

Thoughts?

I'm never looking for more reasons to penalize teams. Get over to the table at the 12-13 minute mark so that if you find any discrepancies, you can inform the coach and give him/her a chance to rectify before we hit the 10-minute mark.