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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 10:25am
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Do what your supervisor tells you to do for his/her games. 50 people in this forum can tell you not to be a plumber, but that will mean nothing if your assignor expects you inform players they cannot wear them during warmups.
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 11:54am
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I don't disagree, Raymond; I was merely suggesting that I doubted that AremRed was saying to allow a kid to actually wear such a device during the game itself. No one is that cavalier!

Fortunately for me, none of my assigners issue these kinds of edicts, perhaps trusting to our judgment.

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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 12:32pm
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Do what your supervisor tells you to do for his/her games.
This came up several years ago in Connecticut. My local IAABO board, my state IAABO board, and the state interscholastic sports governing body (CIAC) all told us to not allow headphones in the pregame layup lines.

Outside of Connecticut?

Be the Wild Wild West if you want to be.
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 01:52pm
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Do what your supervisor tells you to do for his/her games. 50 people in this forum can tell you not to be a plumber, but that will mean nothing if your assignor expects you inform players they cannot wear them during warmups.
And if your supervisor does not have a position on this because it has never come up, then make a judgment. As officials, we control the darn game, not the players and the coaches. That is what you are paid to do. This is where you have to be willing to use your authority because if it is other things in the game you have to tell coaches and players things they do not like.

I had a coach come out onto the court to help a player last night that might have been injured, he did not like it but I had to inform him his player had to come out of the game after being fouled. He got over it when I enforced a rule. And he tried to blame it on one of my partners for telling him he could come out to check on his player. But I still had a rule available to enforce, even if the player was technically OK to participate. Sometimes we need to just have the courage to enforce rules even if there is something we do not want to cause a problem. I have also learned that you will get their respect more if you do what is right than always trying to hide under a rock and not cause any problems. Because the other coach is watching too, not just the coach you have to give the bad news to. Or the multiple coaches in the stands watching you as well.

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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 02:06pm
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I had a coach come out onto the court to help a player last night that might have been injured ...
2011-12 NFHS Basketball Rules 3-3-6: A player who has been injured to the extent that the coach or
any other bench personnel is beckoned and/or comes onto the court shall be
directed to leave the game, unless a time-out is requested by, and granted
to, his/her teamand the situation can be corrected by the end of the time-out.

2019-20 NFHS Basketball Rules 3-3-6: A player who has been injured to the extent that the coach or
any other bench personnel is beckoned and comes onto the court shall be
directed to leave the game, unless a time-out is requested by, and granted
to, his/her team and the situation can be corrected by the end of the timeout.


Why the unannounced change?
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 02:37pm
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Id imagine it would be so that if an official was a bit jumpy and beckoned a coach for a player that didn't need attention you don't make a player come out unnecessarily.
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 02:46pm
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Id imagine it would be so that if an official was a bit jumpy and beckoned a coach for a player that didn't need attention you don't make a player come out unnecessarily.
Good point.

Previous to the unannounced change, by rule, if an overly cautious official beckoned a coach, who didn't come onto the court, and the player was immediately ready to play, the team would be charged with a timeout or have to replace the player.

Again, by rule, not by practice, hopefully the official was not both overly cautious and overly officious.
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 02:59pm
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Good point.

Previous to the unannounced change, by rule, if an overly cautious official beckoned a coach, who didn't come onto the court, and the player was immediately ready to play, the team could be charged with a timeout or have to replace the player (again, by rule, not by practice).
But now, by a literal reading, if the coach comes out but is not beckoned, the conditions are not met to remove the player.
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Old Wed Dec 04, 2019, 03:10pm
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But now, by a literal reading, if the coach comes out but is not beckoned, the conditions are not met to remove the player.
Another good point.

It's not a NFHS rule, or interpretation, but we've been told locally that in the case of player going down, if we see the coach coming, we're to start beckoning.

If questioned by the opposing coach, we're to say, "He was beckoned".

In the case of a possible injury, we want the coach out there, and don't want him hesitating because he's afraid of a technical foul.

That would not be a good look for us since one reason why we're out there is for player safety.

10-5-2: Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not: Enter the court unless by permission of an official to attend an injured player.
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