Originally Posted by rwodar (Post 1035004)

...If team A isn’t pressing team b can just touch the ball in bounds and sit in the backcourt as long as they’d like?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035006)

Only until the end of the period buzzer sounds.

Originally Posted by rwodar (Post 1035005)

... that would mean if team B commits a foul while the ball is sitting there in the back court and team A were in the bonus, we would shoot free throws, which is NOT the case.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035008)

Since the "team control foul" period on a throwin ends when player control is obtained inbounds, and since player control had not been established inbounds, then there would be no free throws.



4-19-7: A team-control foul is a common foul committed by a member

of the team that has team control or by a member of the throw-in team from

the start of the throw-in until player control is obtained inbounds.

Originally Posted by rwodar (Post 1035010)

Regardless of the explanation of why this is a team control foul your initial statement about not starting the 10second count until player control is obtained is incorrect.

Originally Posted by rwodar (Post 1035010)

Regardless of the explanation of why this is a team control foul your initial statement about not starting the 10second count until player control is obtained is incorrect.

It is not incorrect. The Case Play that was cited 4.12.2b specifically tell us on a deflected throw in pass there can be no 3 second violation, no over/back violation and a 10 count cannot be started until the player gains control. Again, team control on throw in plays only applies to fouls committed by the throw in team. Please give us a specific citation from the RB, CB or Officials Manual that says the official should start the count when the throw in pass is touched/deflected.

Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 1035011)

4.12.2b doesn’t quite make sense to me... in the situation they say team a is inbounding in the backcourt but then also say that the ball “crosses the division line” implying when A3 gains control it would be in the from court...THEN in the ruling they say “the backcourt count does not start until A3 gains control in the backcourt..? The ruling contradicts the situation.

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Originally Posted by rwodar (Post 1035004)

...If team A isn’t pressing team b can just touch the ball in bounds and sit in the backcourt as long as they’d like?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035006)

Only until the end of the period buzzer sounds.

Originally Posted by rwodar (Post 1035007)

I’m glad I no longer play on the off chance you’d be officiating.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035019)

And if B1 makes a throwin pass from under Team B’s own basket, while Team A is just passively sitting back in a zone defense, and B2 just touches, but does not control the throwin pass while in Team B’s frontcourt near the division line, and B2 just puts out his hand and touches the pass, the ball falling to the floor, eventually not bouncing, all while B1, B3, B4, B5 are standing in the lane, I’m not starting a three second count, and in fact those four players can stay in the lane until the end of the period buzzer sounds if B2 never holds or dribbles the ball, and just allows it to remain on the floor at his feet.



rwodar. How do you like them apples?

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1035022)

Indeed, why not rewrite the NFHS rule for team control (and, by extension, the backcourt 10-second count) to match the college rule? If there is team control for 1 purpose (fouls) why not have team control for other purposes as well.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1035014)

This rule really needs to be rewritten.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1035012)