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Freddy Mon Sep 23, 2019 02:50am

Running Backwards
 
Is there any consensus on the issue of running backwards in order to, as it is claimed, provide better coverage of the action in transition?
I'm confident in what I personally do and teach and am aware of a thread on the topic way back in '12, but it has become necessary for me to study the issue.
I'm curious whether there has been any change in preferred practice in other areas.

BillyMac Mon Sep 23, 2019 06:41am

Meet The Mets, Meet The Mets ...
 
Step right up and greet the Mets.

la Jimmy Piersall.

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JRutledge Mon Sep 23, 2019 07:43am

I have never heard anyone advocate this for a lot of reasons. When you are running that way, you have no ability to see what you are about to run into at all. And when you fall, what are you going to use when you fall? Your arms and hands. So you will hurt those or you will land on your head. I have known officials that literally have gone to the hospital over running backward. So I would never advocate this on a basketball court service. At least if you are on a football field or soccer situation, you likely have more cushion to fall on if you fall. A basketball court is a much harder surface and that can be a problem if you are running and fall. Even in those other sports, we turn and run when needed.

I have never seen anyone at any major level advocate running backward. Maybe moving backward as you are not in full speed, but not running for sure.

Peace

SC Official Mon Sep 23, 2019 07:50am

The only reasons I have ever seen officials backpedal are because

(1) they are new(er) and haven't been taught otherwise,
(2) they are ball-hawking, or
(3) both 1 and 2.

You can see all you need to see (and keep yourself safer) by turning your head over your shoulder, and you won't look like a rookie either.

LRZ Mon Sep 23, 2019 08:03am

I agree about not running backwards.

But there is a related issue. As I've gotten older (or, rather, old), my peripheral vision has narrowed and my neck is not as flexible as it once was, so it's harder to get good looks at the action as I'm running downcourt, looking over a shoulder. But I would not "fix" the problem by running backwards.

Raymond Mon Sep 23, 2019 09:25am

Those who run backwards or back-pedal are either new to basketball officiating or are ball-watchers.

Camron Rust Mon Sep 23, 2019 09:51am

Not mentioned above (I think) is that there is no way you can run as fast while running backwards.

BillyMac Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:23pm

Hayfoot, Strawfoot ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LRZ (Post 1034549)
As I've gotten older ...

I always have problems looking over my right shoulder as opposed to my left shoulder.

This probably goes back to the old "Cadillac" position days, when (other then when we were working "opposite", which was seldom), we were almost always, as the new lead, running up the right side of the court looking over our left shoulders.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.z...=0&w=300&h=300

justacoach Mon Sep 23, 2019 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1034553)
Those who run backwards or back-pedal are either new to basketball officiating or are ball-watchers.

Or were defensive backs in a former life......but they soon learn a basketball court is much less forgiving than a turf field.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Sep 23, 2019 07:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1034560)
I always have problems looking over my right shoulder as opposed to my left shoulder.

This probably goes back to the old "Cadillac" position days, when (other then when we were working "opposite", which was seldom), we were almost always, as the new lead, running up the right side of the court looking over our left shoulders.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.z...=0&w=300&h=300


As someone who has far more experience working Cadilac than anyone in this Forum, "running backwards" and working "Cadiliac" are mutually exclusive.

MTD, Sr.

BillyMac Tue Sep 24, 2019 08:05am

Cadillac Position ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1034582)
As someone who has far more experience working Cadilac than anyone in this Forum ...

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.X...=0&w=265&h=167

Back when I was growing up, our neighbor had a red Cadillac convertible. Being a professional bookmaker must have been a very lucrative position.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Sep 24, 2019 09:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1034585)
https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.X...=0&w=265&h=167

Back when I was growing up, our neighbor had a red Cadillac convertible. Being a professional bookmaker must have been a very lucrative position.



It was also a deadly profession for "Cadillac Charlie" Cavallaro, a well known purveyor of games of chance and wholesale grape salesman in my home town of Youngstown, Ohio, who evidently had dissatisfied grape customer, because when he turned the ignition of his Cadillac on the morning of Friday, November 23, 1962, a bomb detonated which sent Charlie to an early grave.

MTD, Sr.

ilyazhito Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:45pm

"Denotated". That's funny. IMHO, backpedaling is not a valid basketball officiating technique, because the Lead has responsibilities he could miss by backpedaling, whether in a 2 or 3-person crew (sideline, last defender, assisting with pressure, etc.). Looking over the shoulder and/or running sideways open up the Lead to the court better than backpedaling, and are not as hazardous to life and limb.

justacoach Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1034586)
It was also a deadly profession for "Cadillac Charlie" Cavallaro, a well known purveyor of games of chance and grape salesman in my home town of Youngstown, Ohio, who evidently had dissatisfied grape customer, because when he turned the ignition of his Cadillac on the morning of Friday, November 23, 1962, a bomb denotated which sent Charlie to an early grave.

MTD, Sr.

Mark, you aced the history essay but bombed on your spelling test...

Kansas Ref Tue Sep 24, 2019 01:16pm

whuh?
 
What is meant by the 'cadillac' position? Evidently, I'm late to the party, no one I ref with ever uses this terminology.


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