And We Complain About Being Fashion Police!
 

I missed this game in the Pan-American games and while I have not been a USA Basketball Referee since 2005, I still stay up on the FIBA Rules but I missed this Rule.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...form/39929525/

MTD, Sr.


P.S. This occurred before the start of the Argentina (Home) vs. Columbia (Visitor) game.

I am sure the 5 people at the game and the 3 people hoping to watch on tv were devastated.

I don’t understand why a team of that calibre would somehow not have their alternate jerseys with them at all times. It can’t be that much of a space concern.

I agree with you 100%.

MTD, Sr.

A facility like that and there were not any other white jerseys? There needs to be a review of accommodations as far as the rule is concerned. That's one thing about NFHS, find some garbage shirt left in the local locker room to use as spirit of the game precludes anything else.

For NFHS, the team wouldn’t forfeit. The coach would simply take a technical foul for allowing the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded and game would go on.

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Good point Nevadaref.

For anyone that can't view the original link for any reason, here is an archive copy:

Pan American Games: Argentina wears wrong uniform, forfeits game

I can see how this rule might work for elite/pro teams that play under FIBA rules, but I'm trying to figure out why Argentina didn't have their white uniforms with them :confused:. Most teams I've known tell their players to always have both sets of uniforms just in case.

That is the case whereby jersey colors are different enough. In the case of 2 teams having the same colored jerseys, I disagree. (wasn't that what happened in OP? I wasn't gonna wait for the page to reload again with all the ads). The intent of contrasting jerseys is to distinguish opponents. Without that ability, how could the game be officiated? Ergo, we have BM's remark. With hope, the home team could scramble to switch jerseys. Surely they would have pinnies, etc.

The Show Must Go On ...
 

NFHS high school game. No rule that says it's a forfeit. As Nevadaref pointed out, the coach would simply take the technical foul for the illegal uniforms. Two FTs would be awarded.

After that, we'd figure it out.

Home team gets their reversible practice jerseys from the locker room. Maybe different color numbers on the jerseys (I've worked Catholic middle school games like this, both dark blue jerseys, one team white numbers, other team gold numbers, white versus gold). One team wears jersey inside out. Giant taped X's on jerseys of one team. Shirts versus skins. Players raise hands for fouls (like in ancient times).

Get the coaches, athletic director (site manager) together, possibly with my assignment commissioner on the phone, and we'd figure it out. Maybe it won't be perfect, but we'd figure it out enough for there to be a game that night.

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What NFHS supports your disagreement? You have no basis for a forfeit.

Agree. The penalty for illegal uniforms is spelled out in the book.

It may be difficult to officiate and, if there is a close OOB play where it is hard to tell which team hit it last, I just might default to the team that wore the correct jerseys, but it isn't going to be a forfeit.

If two teams show up with the same color uniforms to my game and one team can’t find another color to wear, I won’t declare a forfeit, but I’m not officiating it, either. I’m leaving and letting the state decide what to do. Maybe that wouldn’t be acceptable in some areas, but here it would be.

This really isn't all that much different than illegal numbers, ruleswise.

Find a way to make it work....number colors, trim colors, something. It isn't ideal, but this doesn't rise to the level of not playing the game.

If it doesn't rise to that level in your area, fine.

I've officiated a game before where the home team wore white and the road team wore light gray. It was a mess; at halftime the home team decided to switch into their black uniforms they magically remembered were available.

We would not be expected to play here if the teams had indiscernible jerseys. But we wouldn't declare a forfeit, either.

Fair Is Fair ...
 

No. Ask for help, or go with a held ball. Rules is rules.

What's The Hurry To Leave ???
 

I get it. When in Rome …

But you would leave the site and let the state figure it out afterward?

How about getting the coaches together with the athletic director (site manager) and make a few phone calls before leaving the site?

Maybe get your assigner's opinion before leaving the site?

If nothing else, there's always the shirts versus skins option to consider.

A Canadian basketball officiating friend of told me of a women's college game that he had years and years ago (in the 1990s). I shall not name the Canadian college nor who its European opponent was. None the less, the Visitors had brought their White jerseys to the game site. The Home went and got its Dark jerseys for the Visitors to change into. Rather than go to the locker room to change jerseys, they changed court side. As they changed the air was sucked completely out of the gym because some of the players were not wearing bras, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

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Back in my coaching days, I would coach at an overnight girls camp every summer.

Camp was run by a very successful old fashioned older male coach. Every time the girls would reverse their reversible camp jerseys on the court, exposing their sports bras, he would panic and turn away.

I've officiated such a game...white and light grey. It was tricky in a few situations, but it really wasn't that hard.

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Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 

and the coach gets to take a seat during the game:D

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Good point. This is not a team technical foul, but a direct technical foul to the head coach, and of course, the head coach must sit after any technical foul, direct, or indirect, charged to the head coach.

I did not indicate that they would forfeit. I disagreed with your sentiment that the coach would simply take a T and the game would continue. If there are 2 teams with same-colored jerseys, more will need to be done to continue. No one, and I mean no one, would just give T and then start the game. Then you and others go on to describe all kinds of changes to be made before continuing the game. Well, no kidding, then you do not have the original problem do you? one even suggested bending the rules to accommodate, lol. Follow the uniform rules to the letter as written but then not adjudicate accordingly because of it. That's a laugh.

And shirts and skins? Did someone really legitimately suggest that? Have fun with the lawsuit.:rolleyes:

You must be rather new to this. Back in the day it was not totally uncommon to have teams show up with the same basic color uniforms when the rule was written slightly different. That was when the home team was to wear the "lighter" jersey which could be gold, grey or orange that was the home team. We would just play the games if there was something about the jerseys that were identifiably different. So this is how it used to be and to those of us that have been around some time, that was not and uncommon choice.

You do realize the shirts and skins comment was a joke? I for one get annoyed by Billy sometimes, but that was a joke. I even know that. ;)

Peace

You'd be wrong about that. At one time, it wasn't even a T. We did just play the game with NO adjustments.

Exactly. It was quite unlikely that the number fonts or the trim thickness was going to be the same. There was always SOMETHING different....maybe it was V-neck vs Scoop-neck.

Shirts Versus Skins ...
 

After you put the kids to bed, pull down the shades, and close the door, go on the Google and search images for "Shirts Versus Skins".

I discovered that shirts versus skins is not just a male phenomena.

I did not know that.

You may want to do this while the wife is at bingo.

And be sure to clear your search history afterward.

Yea, I can hear it now as the ball goes out of bounds between two players...

"Blue....V-neck" and then moments later on another play.."Blue...scoop neck" or better yet "Blue...with helvetica font numbering" and "White...with thicker trim". In that case the game would be a travesty and it could....be forfeited, lol.

I would be wrong about what? Even since the rule was made a T, there were situations when a T was given and we moved on. We did not forfeit or not play the game when the uniforms were problematic by rule. As a matter of fact I had a summer game where we jerseys that were very close in color and we played. We complained about it, but we played. I did not give a year all these situations took place.

Peace

When we would have teams with similar colors, we would pick something different and call the one by that color or call the other one white. Often when gold or gray was common, one team would have blue numbers or even grey numbers and we would call them "Blue" or "Grey" for the purposes of identification. It was not easy, but we still played the game. And we are not talking about big-time games with big-time budgets. We are talking about some elementary league or some freshman game and even in some cases varsity games.

Peace

That was in reply to bucky's comment. I agree with you.

I would just use the school names when making calls.

My bad. That is what happens when you do multiple things at the same time. I missed that you were responding to Bucky.

Peace