Travel after shooting foul
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Thought there was an interesting play in the finals last night with 6:38 to go in the 4th quarter. Leonard drives to the basket and is fouled and makes the shot. In the replay it shows that his foot returned to the floor before he released the ball. Has anyone had this play or have a video of this sequence? I think that this series of events happens more then we adjudicate. I know that I have not made this call but maybe something to watch out for in the future. Tried to capture a picture of the end of the play Note: If for some reason this is not a travel in the NBA as I am not as familiar with that rule set would like to focus on the NCAA and NFHS rulings in this situation for discussion purposes. |
By rule, the foul would be considered in the act of shooting, so Kawhi Leonard would entitled to free throws for the foul, but the score would be cancelled, because he travelled. However, officials in a real game would be more likely to conclude that the foul caused the travelling, so the shot would count, and Kawhi would shoot 1 free throw.
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If it is obvious, cancel the basket and award 2 free throws. If you have to split hairs or need replay to detect the travel, count the basket and award 1 free throw. |
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Just how many extra steps are you going to give the fouled ball handler/shooter? Are you also going to allow the fouled ball handler/shooter a few illegal (double) dribbles because the foul "caused" the illegal (double) dribble? |
The Ball Subsequently Goes In ...
In almost forty years, I've cancelled baskets many times because the ball handler/shooter traveled after being fouled with the ball subsequently going in.
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For the record, I do not agree with that mindset. I would cancel the score and award two shots, unless the foul directly contributed to the travel (the shooter was pushed and lost his balance, causing him to travel). |
Continuation ...
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Just how many extra steps are you going to give the fouled ball handler/shooter? Continuation does not allow for extra steps. If the ball handler/shooter was in the act of shooting before the foul occurred, the foul does not cause the ball to become dead immediately, however, the travel violation does cause the ball to become dead immediately and no goal can be scored. There is no such thing as a continuation rule that allows a dead ball delay in a travel violation. In this case a dead ball going through the basket doesn't count as two points. |
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DO NOT COMPLICATE THINGS: If it is obvious, cancel the basket and award 2 free throws. If you have to split hairs or need replay to detect the travel, count the basket and award 1 free throw. Why can't it be as simple as that? |
I am reporting what other people have said amongst themselves and told me. That does not mean that I support what is being said. I would officiate a game calling the plays the same way that they are supposed to be called per the rulebook and casebook/ Approved Rulings. If obvious that a foul and travel, I enforce both (award free throws and take away the score). If not, I count the goal, and ignore the maybe-travel while awarding one free throw.
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I recall the play quite vividly and discussed it with my dad. We rewound it and watched in slo mo of course. This happens most frequently, IMO, in the NBA. I never understand why the officials do not even bother to look at each other with some doubt. They just score it and nobody says a word, not even the defense. Sure, if it is not obvious I can understand but many times it is obvious. I have canceled a basket in this situation maybe 5 times in my career, usually only at the lower levels. Counting rec leagues, maybe 100 times, lol.
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"Unless the foul directly contributed to the travel". Travel, not a "maybe travel". Make up your mind. Words do matter. And they can come back to haunt you. |
Raymond's comments did change my perspective. Let's allow someone else to step into this discussion.
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If you know the player has traveled after the foul, you must cancel the goal and shoot 2. Plain and simple. I really hope your "wordiness" is only in typed form. Round about logic on the floor in conversation with certain coaches about a call will cook your goose!!
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