2019-20 NFHS Rules Changes

[Rich]

It's a mechanics year. I wonder if there will be any changes other than the stop clock first for held ball (which we'd been doing for quite a while, anyway).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's a mechanics year. I wonder if there will be any changes other than the stop clock first for held ball (which we'd been doing for quite a while, anyway).

I like this change. It will help with double whistles. I've always liked the NBA mechanic of not going directly to 2 thumbs up. I've been trying to make the change myself over the last couple of seasons.

[JRutledge]

Pretty uneventful year.

I am not in love with the mechanics change about the held ball. It still will cause people to suggest we had something different than a held ball.

I do not care at all about uniform stuff at all. Glad they made some things less important but that is it.

Peace

So now assistant coaches will be all about getting on the floor to break up a fight instead of keeping their bench players on the bench which they were already shitty at doing? Makes sense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

So now assistant coaches will be all about getting on the floor to break up a fight instead of keeping their bench players on the bench which they were already shitty at doing? Makes sense.

Well we do not have to penalize them now which is better than it used to be.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It still will cause people to suggest we had something different than a held ball.

Do we stop the clock with an open hand and then follow it up with the old held ball signal, or is the held ball signal completely gone?

If it's gone, how will the table crew know that it's a held ball and be ready to change the arrow? In the past, with the held ball signal, some table crews have occasionally missed it.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by AremRed

So now assistant coaches will be all about getting on the floor to break up a fight instead of keeping their bench players on the bench which they were already shitty at doing? Makes sense.

It's better than having to count how many assistants came off the bench for each team to figure out who's shooting FT's and ejecting them even though they were trying to restore the peace.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do we stop the clock with an open hand and then follow it up with the old held ball signal, or is the held ball signal completely gone?

If it's gone, how will the table crew know that it's a held ball and be ready to change the arrow? In the past, with the held ball signal, some table crews have occasionally missed it.

(facepalm)

[Kelvin green]

This is so blah....none of this improves the game or game administration.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do we stop the clock with an open hand and then follow it up with the old held ball signal, or is the held ball signal completely gone?

If it's gone, how will the table crew know that it's a held ball and be ready to change the arrow? In the past, with the held ball signal, some table crews have occasionally missed it.

Is this a serious question?

The final change approved by the Basketball Rules Committee is a change in the signal when a held ball occurs. Now, when a held ball occurs, the covering official(s) shall stop the clock using Signal #2 (straight arm, open palm extended) while simultaneously sounding the whistle.

You know what Signal #2 is, don't you?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is this a serious question?

Yes it was. The press release is slightly unclear as to whether the held ball signal has been replaced, or whether an additional signal (the straight arm, open palm stop the clock signal) has been added to the held ball signal sequence.

I hope (and now believe) it's the later, not the former. Just like the other signals we give after giving the stop the clock signal (travel, three seconds, etc.)

... a change in the signal when a held ball occurs. Now, when a held ball occurs, the covering official(s) shall stop the clock using Signal #2 (straight arm, open palm extended) while simultaneously sounding the whistle. “This change should help to alleviate conflicting calls by officials when a held ball occurs,” Wynns said. “We currently raise one arm to stop the clock for everything except the jump/held ball.”

[JRutledge]

So you are telling us that you have all this inside information that you claim to access to and this is confusing you?

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do we stop the clock with an open hand and then follow it up with the old held ball signal, or is the held ball signal completely gone?

If it's gone, how will the table crew know that it's a held ball and be ready to change the arrow? In the past, with the held ball signal, some table crews have occasionally missed it.

I am with you Bill. Furthermore, I am confused how coming out with the Held Ball is will "alleviate conflicting calls by officials when a held ball occurs" according to Theresa Wynns. How is this any different than when one Official comes out with the Foul Stop Clock Signal while another Officials comes out with the Non-Foul Stop Clock Signal.

MTD, Sr.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I am with you Bill. Furthermore, I am confused how coming out with the Held Ball is will "alleviate conflicting calls by officials when a held ball occurs" according to Theresa Wynns. How is this any different than when one Official comes out with the Foul Stop Clock Signal while another Officials comes out with the Non-Foul Stop Clock Signal.



MTD, Sr.

It's a lot less visible. We've been doing this for a few years. It works well.


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[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

It's a pity that they don't have anything at the high school level where experimental rules can be implemented, like the NIT

The NFHS does allow some limited experimentation. In my pre-officiating days, our state was allowed to experiment with the running clock point-differential rule before the option was adopted nationwide.

More recently, our state experimented with a limited number of games played in halves.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's a lot less visible. We've been doing this for a few years. It works well.


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It was not advocated here and really do not see the benefit of that position. If I am blowing my whistle and I know I have a held ball, that looks better than the signal they suggest IMO. It looks like you are about to call something else and then call a held ball to not cause another issue. That is why I am not a fan of this and probably will not change personally. I saw officials the last few weeks do this when I was at camp and many times it looked like they could have called something else. Oh well, to each its own I guess.

Peace