And here, while it was enforced for a while after the rules were changed, it has largely reverted back to the way it was.

The game, as called in this area, is dramatically different than what you see on nationally televised NCAA games (tourney included). It is much more physical, in general, and things that are almost always called a foul at the NCAA D1 level are criticized here if you call them.

OhioHSAA

The home announcer going nuts when their team was making a comeback with several 3s in a row made for great atmosphere. Now, the announcer announces the starting lineups at the beginning of the game and the 50/50 ticket at some point in the third quarter.

No announcements of baskets/fouls/timeouts. Nothing.

I've been to several schools in my little corner of Ohio and they all do this.

The fact that these POE dont remain as part of the rule book is exactly why the elbow above the shoulders contact POE is one of the worst POE's in my opinion. Especially given the conversations at the local association level when this came about didnt give me a lot of confidence that not quite a majority understood the POE completely in our meetings.

Points of Emphasis ...
 

This is a problem with any Point of Emphasis that doesn't make it's way into the rulebook.

How is a new official supposed to know about such when there is no mention of such in the current rulebook?

By an oral tradition of old, grizzled, veteran officials sitting around a campfire telling scary stories about old Points of Emphasis to young'uns?

https://tse4.explicit.bing.net/th?id...=0&w=293&h=166

This NFHS issue has always perplexed me.

Same issues with annual interpretations that don't make their way into the current casebook, or with casebook plays that drop out of the current casebook for no apparent rational, or publicized reason.

Why hasn't the NFHS realized that the Mesopotamians invented written language over 5000 years ago and that Gutenberg invented the movable type printing press in fifteenth century?

These were good inventions, the NFHS should use them.

Stupid NFHS.

Announcers ...
 

Hopefully the raffle winner isn't announced during a live ball, or he's going to get hammered with double secret probation.

"Nothing" at all about baskets/fouls/timeouts was not the intent of the NFHS guidelines. That's on the State of Ohio, the leagues/conferences, or the individual schools.

For those young'uns who became officials after 2014-15, here's the Point of Emphasis and the followup explanation by the NFHS.

In my opinion, the NFHS went too far with their guidelines.

They had to do something to stop the over-excited, cheerleader, play by play, carnival barker announcers (as in many summer pro-am games), but they threw out the baby with the bathwater with these guidelines.

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.i...=0&w=197&h=165

2014-15 POINT OF EMPHASIS

Announcer Responsibilities. The announcer shall be prohibited from making an announcement
while the clock is running and while the clock is stopped and the ball is live…such as during a
free throw, a throw-in, etc. Doing so could potentially affect communication of coaches or
players, or could be disconcerting.
• The announcer shall be prohibited from interrupting the game through the use of the
microphone unless there is an emergency.
• Announcements or comments shall be made during those times when there is a stoppage of
the clock and the ball is not live, such as time-outs, between quarters, pre-game, half time
and post-game.
• The announcer is allowed to announce basic information that does not potentially affect the
play in general, the players, the coaches or the officials. The announcer’s information is not
official information and could be misinformation shared with all.
• Appropriate training of announcers by school personnel and proper pregame instruction by
the referee are necessary.

May be Announced - Examples:
• Player who scored
• Player charged with foul
• Player attempting free throw
• Team granted a time-out
• Length of time-out: 30 seconds or 60 seconds
• Player entering game
• Team rosters

Shall not be Announced – Examples
• Number of points player scored
• Number of fouls on player
• Number of team fouls
• Number of team time-outs or number remaining
• Time remaining in the quarter/game
• Type of foul or violation
• Emphatic two-point or three-point field goal

The announcer’s role does not include “cheering the home team on” or otherwise inciting the
crowd. Doing so is common at other levels of athletic events, but high school athletics is different
because sports are educationally based. In a very real sense, the public-address announcer at a
high school event is a “Champion of Character.” He/she can influence the atmosphere of the
contest by what is said and how it is said. The announcer who performs professionally promotes
good sportsmanship by what he/she says and how he/she acts upon saying it.

The National Federation has issued new guidelines regarding game announcers.

While the game is in progress, announcers may give basic information such as who scores, who fouls and how many fouls that is on a player, who is shooting free throws and how many free throws, which team is awarded a time out and whether the time out is a full time out or a 30 second time out, which substitute is entering the game and which player is being replaced.

Announcers should not announce things such as "How much time there is left in a period" or "How many time outs a team has left." Also, announcements pertaining to raffles, 50-50 drawings, concession stands, future schedules, etc. - in other words, all those things that are not directly related to the game should only be announced prior to the game, during time outs, intermission, between periods, and after the game.

What they want eliminated are the "carnival barkers" that tend to distract from the actual game and those announcements that would tend to give information that is the responsibility of the teams and coaches (i.e.: how much time is left or how many time outs a team has remaining.). There is no penalty involved. Announcers should be handled the same as scorekeepers and timers who are not in compliance with the spirit of the game.

This information should be covered with the announcer at the table prior to the game.

If the rules committee really wants something to be enforced a certain way, they need to put it in the rules. Until they do, they have no one to blame but themselves for officials not enforcing years-old interpretations.

The elbow-above-the-shoulders thing is the classic example, along with that ridiculous backcourt caseplay that was a 2017-18 interp before finally getting put to rest with the rules changes last year.

As far as announcers go, there's one eye-rolling terrible official I know of here that has a printout of the NFHS directives that he's literally given to announcers who don't adhere. Other than that, thankfully we all pretty much leave it alone as long as there isn't any cheerleading or play-by-play.

Knowledge Is Power ... ...
 

I agree with you and have held that same opinion for several years.

However, let's not overlook the importance of state and local trainers/interpreters/teachers/mentors/clinicians/instructors/observers, etc. Most that hold such important, responsible positions of authority are experienced veterans who should be aware of reasonably old Points of Emphasis, as well as reasonably old annual interpretations that don't make their way into the current casebook, or with reasonably old casebook plays that drop out of the current casebook for no apparent rational, or publicized reason. These experienced veterans were probably appointed, or elected, to such responsible positions because of their superior basketball officiating knowledge, including information that may not be in the current rulebook or casebook. These reasonably old Points of Emphasis and interpretations should not be ignored as part of the original training and/or continuous education process of the new members and veteran members.

That being said, the NFHS could do a much, much better job of keeping the rulebook and casebook up to date, and in line with the way they want rules and interpretations enforced. Some officials are visual learners and need a rulebook or casebook to help them to learn and/or improve their officiating skills. An up-to-date rulebook and casebook would also make the job of state and local trainers/interpreters/teachers/mentors/clinicians/instructors/observers, etc., a lot easier, with more likely successful outcomes of developing competent basketball officials.

If the NFHS isn't going to update the rulebook and casebook, I think it's a lot to ask state and local trainers/interpreters/teachers/mentors/clinicians/instructors/observers, etc., to "pick up the slack" and keep their state and local officials informed of "old" rulings, interpretations, emphases, etc.

Maybe it's too much to ask?

At the school I go to most, it's during a timeout in the 3rd. But, if nobody calls a timeout, they do it between periods.

I think this was the contention in their own PoE. How can you announce who scored when you aren't supposed to announce while the clock is running or the ball is live? Maybe I'm wrong that this directive came from Columbus. Maybe the area schools just all made a gentlemen's agreement. It probably saves them from paying an announcer as it is usually just the home AD announcing the lineups.

Das Kind Mit Dem Bade Ausschütten (German Proverb) ...
 

Don't know if it's necessary but it would serve to stiffen the penalty slightly for a technical foul if they allowed the offended team to pick the spot for their throw-in as opposed to the current rule stating it will take place at the division line.

Some Merit ...
 

While I'm not sure that I'm in favor of your suggestion, it especially makes a lot of sense if the division line throwin is at a disadvantageous spot compared to the throwin spot if there had been no technical foul.

My question has to be where did this suggestion come from? It's not invalid, but I've never even heard anyone ever suggest it.

Let's be real guys, they're gonna do something about the socks. No NCAA or professional logos. Or some other silly-ass uniform requirement.

They did that already and it lasted a year and changed it back. And the logic was that the schools do not provide the footwear for the players like they used to if I recall. Not sure why they would do that or care.

Peace

I don't think I'd ever heard it either but it just came to me as an idea to toughen up the penalty. It may not even be worth the trouble. But from working games I've always thought that teams get open looks/shots on throw-in plays quite a bit with the result being a fairly high percentage of scoring on the first shot. That's completely subjective but it would be interesting to know if coaches thought the same thing. If a team has an inbounds play designed around getting the ball to their 6' 10" kid maybe they would like to take it out underneath the basket. That sort of thing. Just a thought though.

They did? That is news to me.

I don't recall any sock rules last year. At least not in VA.

Schools don't provide shooting sleeves, tights, or sweat bands either. Yet NFHS in their infinite wisdom decided to make rules governing that. Why would they care? I don't ever want to understand their uniform rules. The only one I cared about was the undershirt rule. Kid wearing a white shirt under a black uniform playing against a white team gave me enough pause to decide who had the inbound after an OOB.

Yeah when I thought about it for a second, it's not a bad idea.

I did not say the rule was that way last year. It was actually in the 90s when that rule was put into place.

Peace

Scrimmage Undershirts ...
 

Agree. Traditionally, here in Connecticut, teams don't wear their "real" uniforms during scrimmages, usually reversible practice jerseys instead, and officials don't enforce most equipment rules in scrimmages, including undershirts. I always encounter a few plays in scrimmages that would be called a lot more confidently with jerseys and undershirts of similar colors.

Citation Please ...
 

If we're discussing NFHS rules here (and I think we are), I'm 99.5% positive that there have never been any NFHS sock restrictions over the past forty years.

Maybe it was a proposal (possibly logo size) that was not accepted by the NFHS, or maybe it was a state high school guideline, or maybe some are confusing this topic with other rule sets, but it never made its way into the NFHS rulebook.

I wouldn't bet my house on this, but I would bet some pocket cash. Anybody interested in a fun wager? If so, citation please.

I will say it this way. If I recall this was an editorial change made and it was early in my career. I remember this because I lived in a particular place and worked with a partner that enforced this rule on more than one occasion. We all remember things differently for different reasons. I remember because of where I was an when it was enforced. This was like either the 2nd or 3rd year of my career and it was a big enough deal that I thought it was stupid. Then they made the change or even interpretation change (I am not Mark D) but I do remember this and remember the application conversations. It was stupid because I was thinking that no one provides my socks for me and why do we care if they have a logo on it. If you do not remember or maybe it was more of an issue where I lived, but it was in the rules. Again I think it was just an editorial change where they removed socks from the logo restriction. Again most people did not care but it has been proven that uniform stuff is/was an issue for years in my state.

Peace

Good Thing I Didn't Bet My House ...
 

JRutledge is 100% correct. It was an actual NFHS rule change, socks were removed from the logo restriction in 2000-01. Socks were listed under logo restrictions for the four previous years, maybe longer since my rulebooks only go back to 1996-97 (I've officiated since 1980).

I'm not going to quibble about this being a sock restriction, or a logo restriction, it's still a nice ancient citation. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is still the king of ancient citations, but JRutledge is a formidable challenger.

Do I get a new house now or just cash?

BTW, that was the year I started. IJS.

Peace

Let's Make A Deal ...
 

How about door number two?

https://tse1.explicit.bing.net/th?id...=0&w=291&h=187

Feasible?
 

Question: How feasible would it be to suggest that the NF mandate that any player who participates while wearing Rx eyeglasses--must also wear a support band that prevents said Rx eyeglasses from falling off during live ball action?

Maybe make such restraining bands a definite part of the "legally equipped to participate" aspect?

I've had 8th grade girls & boys games whose glasses are flopping off when they get slight contact or just due to perspiration. Even had a case where a kid's glasses were stepped on and broken in the paint.
As an official I've come to question the courtesy [if not legitimacy] of halting play to allow them to pickup Rx eyeglasses.

The argument against it is likely safety ("what if someone's hand gets caught in the croakie?").

Also, today is the last day of the Rules Committee meeting.

This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I would suggest having sports goggles on hand for those athletes who need glasses, and avoid this entire issue, but this is not a solution that can be mandated by the NFHS Rules Committee.

What's That Carly Simon Song About Heinz Ketchup ???
 

Just like Christmas Eve.

Aren't there sports straps that do the trick?

Peace

Not sure to be honest

Or A Nun In A Bikini ...
 

Just be happy with this:

It's a rare as a diamond. Cherish it.

Gesundheit ...
 

From my grandmother, who was a Hesselmeyer, right off the boat.

It is not about being right, it is about what happened. That happened and I remember it because I was an official. Was not trying to debate, you were. I was just stating what I remembered and folks like you always have to challenge what people know or remember to be right.

Now back to my camp games. ;)

Peace

Search For The Truth ...
 

Pretty difficult to debate a fact.

Facts are often binary. It's an apple, not an orange. Five times three equals fifteen, not sixteen.

You remembered correctly and you were right.

I, and at least one other Forum member, remembered incorrectly, and we were wrong.

It was easy to get closure on the sock issue (where there's a will, there's a way), about ten minutes of research through some old rulebooks.

That's the best part about this Forum, if there's a fact (citation, rule, interpretation, etc.) out there, it will eventually see the light of day.

Someone will remember something, the issue will be researched, and the truth will lay bare.

Unfortunately, it's not always that easy.

Sometimes the NFHS complicates the issue by using imprecise, incomplete, contradictory, or untimely language, that's when we have debates, often with no closure.

Then, of course, there are local differences in the way we do things.

Different isn't always better, or worse, sometimes it's just different.

In my state the captains meeting is mandatory, as well as having the coach initial the official scorebook, At the captains meeting both head coaches are required to attend

Double Secret Probation ...
 

Same here in Connecticut.

A few years ago we were having some problems with head coaches attending.

Our state interscholastic sports governing body made these meetings mandatory, and if the head coach refuses to attend the pregame meeting, the referee is notify the assignment commissioner, who will contact the state interscholastic sports governing body, who will contact the school's principal.

Then, the coach gets called down to the principal's office.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.j...=0&w=175&h=168

It is mandatory here in Illinois and it is required that both coaches and captains attend the same meeting. I doubt that is going to go away even if the NF said something about this (which my understanding is not mandated by the NF or the nature of that meeting). And we must address sportsmanship in that meeting. And now we must address who is the Approved Medical Professional with the coaches also (State law).

I also do not think it is a waste of time. It is a way to set the tone and they can see you up close and as human.

Peace

Pregame Meeting ...
 

JRutledge is correct that the NFHS doesn't mandate a specific meeting like many of us do, but the NFHS does require a few components of what most of us do at this meeting:

Referee’s Pregame Duties
2-2-4 Be responsible for having each team notified three minutes before each half is to begin.
2-2-5: Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

Official’s General Duties
2-7-1 Notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game.

We don't have to address the Approved Medical Professional here in Connecticut because, by state law, all coaches have to be trained in concussion protocol.

I agree with JRutledge that the meeting sets the proper tone for the game. My son, a sociologist, often talks about the importance of rituals and traditions in our culture.

For the record, the only one done during the Head Coach-Captain's meeting here in Illinois (or Indiana) is the highlighted one above.

And the AMP is not about doing CPR, it is a law that means that if we send someone out for concussion-like symptoms, only an AMP can approve them to play in the game. If there is no AMP at the game or for the team, then if we send them out the coach is not allowed to bring them back into the game. Also, the AMP has to be listed by each school through the IHSA so when we file a report telling of an incident where a player is removed from the game because of concussion-like symptoms, they IHSA and the school take over with the procedure of what was done correctly or not. Again, all by state law, not our burden ultimately after that. It is also encouraged when a player is removed and let back in, we report who told us allowed the player to play.

Peace

Connecticut ...
 

From my pregame: Coaches and captains meeting at 5:00: Uniforms and equipment are legal, and will be worn properly. All participants will exhibit good sportsmanship.

Before the halftime intermission, the referee tells the timekeeper to notify both teams, and the officials, when there's three minutes left in the intermission.

Pregame? I guess that the game clock counting down addresses the intent of the rule.

Per new IAABO mechanics, we no longer specifically notify the individual captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game, we just sound the whistle, and toss the ball for the jump ball to start the game.

Concussion Protocol ...
 

We're fortunate here in Connecticut that our State Legislature mandated that all interscholastic coaches (all levels, middle school, freshman, junior varsity, varsity, head, assistants) be trained and certified in concussion protocol, and are allowed to make all decisions regarding such.

Originally the State Legislature also wanted all interscholastic sports officials to be trained and certified in concussion protocol. Our state interscholastic sports governing body's officials association attended public hearings at the Capitol and put the kibosh on that idea. Well worth the $13.00 we individually pay for annual dues to belong to the state interscholastic sports governing body's officials association to lobby on behalf of all officials in such matters (plus free admission to all regular season interscholastic sports, free admission to all post season interscholastic tournament basketball games).

Note: Our state interscholastic sports governing body mandates that all interscholastic coaches, at all levels, head, and assistants, be trained and certified in concussion protocol, first aid, and CPR. Coaches can handle many typical health matters when a trainer is not available (i.e. middle school games). A certified trainer would certainly be better, but the added expense of a certified trainer is too much for many school programs (i.e. middle schools), and the coach has to suffice.

Don't you just blow your whistle?

Black Line All The Way Around ...
 

That will certainly get their attention.

Thank God IAABO made the change (The tossing official on the jump ball no longer checks for readiness with the captains).

Realistically, no longer any reason to ask for "one starting speaking captain from each team, what's your number (under warmup)" at the pregame meeting.

I've never asked, but I've had plenty of partners who have asked.

How often do we get 3-3-E request (captain may request a defensive match-up if three or more substitutes from the same team enter during an opportunity to substitute)?

How many officials won't talk to "any" player who is courteous?

About stopping the clock.
 

I was at a major conference's officiating camp. It was made very clear that we must "stop the clock" on all dead ball situations. It was even advocated because it gives you a moment to figure out what you are going to do instead of just pointing and then going in the wrong direction.

Now that is NCAA/CCA Mechanics and rules taking place but it is clear that "stopping the clock" is not going away if I just went by the attitude shared with the campers. HS officials are not as trained or even as experienced in many cases (even the younger officials).

Peace

You could have something there. As a player (captain), I was always discouraged by the meeting as it took preparation time from me and the content of what was said we already heard too many times. It was irrelevant. I find that most players today feel, or at least act, similarly. The whole team has to be disrupted to call for captains and have various players try to locate them. Yawn.

These are hilarious. In my entire career I have neither ever notified the teams about 3 minutes remaining in the intermission, nor have I witnessed any other official do that. Funny though, I will never forget one MS game in which my son was playing. Nobody notified the teams at half. One team came out in time but not my son's. The officials gave my son's team a technical foul. internally, I came unglued as I knew that the officials certainly made no attempt to notify the teams and they were adjudicating improperly. How hard would it have been to run to the locker room to get a team that obviously was not notified? And T in MS for this? Get real.

Verifying with a coach about equipment is ridiculous. I am yet to witness a coach say "no" when asked if they were properly equipped. Their answer is irrelevant. And, what would you do if they answered "no"? Not start the game? When in those positions and hearing coaches asked, the standard response is "they should be".

Have him ask the family members of those that were burned at the stake about the importance of rituals and traditions.;)

Sure, some are important, but just because it is a ritual/tradition, does not make it important by default.

No Flowers At A Wedding ...
 

Enjoy blowing out the birthday candles on your birthday omelet, and singing Stayin' Alive during the seventh inning stretch of a baseball game.

Three Minute Warning ...
 

Neither have I, over almost forty years. The rule states that it is the responsibility of the referee to have each team notified three minutes before each half is to begin.

We don't notify the teams ourselves, but simply have the timekeepers do it. If I'm the referee, when I grab my jacket at the beginning of the halftime intermission, I just say to the timekeeper, "Notify both teams and the officials when there are three minutes left in halftime".

However, I will admit that many timekeepers are negligent in doing this, even when asked.

Why Ask ???
 

Why ask? Who says we have to ask? I don't ask. I mention it and then point out any visible problems that I might have observed pregame, and then tell the coach to take care of said problems before the game starts.

Headbands and wristbands are usually easy. If the players have warmups on it may be impossible to observe other problems pregame, but if we know that some problems do exist, they can be taken care of by the coach pregame, otherwise some starters or substitutes may be delayed getting into the game.

Disconnect ...
 

There seems to be a disconnect with what you don't do as an official and what you expect other officials to do when you're a basketball parent.

Some states make it a requirement. And, it has more to do with any required safety equipment, and getting the burden (at least in some partial legal theory) off of the officials.

The schools around here simply have the timer sound the horn three times when the clock reaches 3 minutes.

That is the case in Indiana. Every gym has a horn going off. I noticed this first when I would do college games in Indiana and obviously noticed it when I started doing HS games here too.

Peace

Notified ...
 

Certainly fulfills the requirement of the teams being notified.

Not My Job ...
 

I've often heard that here on the Forum, so I agree.

But that's on the state, not on the NFHS.

If I don't see any "fashion" problems in the pregame warmups, I will just say to the coaches "Coaches, please make sure that your uniforms and equipment are legal, and will be worn properly, and that all participants will exhibit good sportsmanship".

Short and sweet, and hopefully fulfilling my NFHS requirement of verification.

I may add a statement regarding the coaching box, or about thirty/sixty second timeouts, but that depends on my mood, who the coaches are, who my partner is, and whether I'm the referee, or the umpire.

Yes, "have", but the point is the same. I have never done it and have never seen any other referee tell anybody to have the teams notified. Never.


Um, I thought you (NFHS) did when you posted:

"Referee’s Pregame Duties
2-2-5: Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest."

Verifying carries with it the same context as asking IMO. It is impossible to verify with a coach that all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest. No one can predict the future can they? And few coaches are aware of what their players are wearing. Coaches may at times go out of their way to point certain items out (thick padding, mask, etc.), but only because they may be abnormal. I understand that the point is to simply plant the idea that everyone is good to go, but my point is that, to me, this, in the rules, is irrelevant to the game and that very few officials do it. Also, that the coaches could answer with a "no" or that they give an insincere (because they are not sure) "yes" or that they use the default answer of "should be."


Yes, there are horns to notify teams but there are few teams in locker rooms that can hear them. Come to think of it, I have never heard a 3-minute warning horn from an officials locker room and have never heard one that was simultaneous with someone knocking on the door to personally notify us. Where are these gym and locker rooms where people can hear a horn at 3 minutes? And for college games, rarely can you hear a horn from a locker room. That's what makes having the clock in the officials locker room so nice. I would not call it fulfilling the requirement if there is a possibility that a team may not hear it.

I can see it now:

Coach: Why didn't anyone come get us?
Official: Sorry, you should have been able to hear the horn from your locker room that was down the hall and through two doors.

You guys need stronger horns.

If a team isn't back by the 1:00 mark, I send someone to go get them.

Verification ...
 

Here in my little corner of Connecticut:

We don't ask simply because most coaches have no idea what's legal and what's illegal and really don't know how to answer.

I can understand why some will "ask" to verify, but it's there's another way to verify without asking, I say go for it.

Remember, it's all about the purpose and intent of the rule, not necessarily the literal rule as written.

An Ounce Of Prevention Is Worth A Pound Of Cure ...
 

Same here.

No three minute horns here in my little corner of Connecticut. We usually get a knock on the door.

For us, I would guess that about 75% of the timekeepers remember to send someone to knock on the official's locker room door and the team's locker room doors, even when reminded by the referee before halftime. Lower percentage for non-varsity games.

As officials we always try to keep track of time and often end up walking back the court on our own with no three minute knock on the door.

How about some classic 1970 Tony Orlando and Dawn?

Anybody over a certain age should know what song this is without clicking, if not, you should be ashamed of yourself.

https://youtu.be/wT5ms2Nvpco

NCAA (some) Changes you will see (or not see)
 

At a camp where this was discussed right from the NCAA Committee Meeting.

• The NCAA Men's is not going to quarters. They would lose a media timeout and they make too much money off of that media timeout set up.
  
• Not advancing the ball.
  
• Moving the 3 point shot to the international level and not widening the lane.
  
• Stopping the clock is not going anywhere. They like the fact they have reduced "blarges."
  
• 20 second reset after offensive rebounds.
  
• Coaches get timeout request ability in the last two minutes of regulation and last two minutes of overtime.

Finally, we were told the Women's Tournament loses 15 million dollars a year.

The Men's Tournament makes a little over a Billion dollar (YES with a "B"). Just because the women's games does something does not mean the Men's game feels the need to do things.

Some of these have not been officially approved, that will happen in June. There was more changes I am sure, but we only addressed the ones that were asked of the person that sits in those meetings.

Peace

If history serves, the NFHS rules changes will be out this week. Last year, the release was dated May 16, which was Wednesday.

I don't expect much.

This will be a DISASTER with JuCo/small college tables.

Are all shot clocks even capable of having two different live-ball reset options?

Also I find it funny what you said about blarges. They literally had one in the first round of the tournament this year.

Anticipation (Carly Simon, 1971) ...
 

It's like Heinz ketchup.

https://youtu.be/02dpccX6LNU

Now that is sweet. Anyone else have this? I'm jealous.

"Blarges" used to be very common and they are not as common anymore. I did not say or it was not said they never happened. BUt when people get so in their feelings about why that requirement is not removed, this is why. Bottom line they have stats on this issue and said it was proven they have gone down since the emphasis.

Also if there are officials that were to be chosen for the NCAA Tournament based off of one or two things and things like not stopping the clock was considered, he would pick someone else. So it matters if the boss says they want you to do something and you say it is silly and do not do it. Kind of how a lot of things work. Again, I am just passing along information.

Peace

Free Tickets ...
 

Nice benefit.

The $13.00 isn't paid individually, it's built into my local board's annual dues.

Observed my buddies working about a dozen tournament games this past season, saved me over $60.00.

Dues this year were only $100.00, down from $125.00 the year previous.

We saved some money on our end of year banquet.

Buffet instead of sit down, open bar only during the cocktail hour.

Daktronics shot clocks do have 2 reset options. Newer Nevco models also have 2 options, as do Fair-Play models. Daktronics shot clock controllers have Reset 1 and Reset 2 buttons, Fair-Play shot clock controllers have 2 buttons as well, and the newer Nevco shot clock controllers that look like a small walkie-talkie also have separate buttons for each shot clock reset value (a controller can have up to 3 values saved). This means that reseting to 30 or 20, and keeping the shot clock running, should not be an issue, as long as the operator does not press the start-stop button to stop the shot clock while it is being reset.

Note: I have been an ECO, mostly with Daktronics scoreboards with shot clock capabilities. I know how Daktronics scoreboards work, less so about Fair-Play and Nevco (reading through the scoreboard operation manuals).

Shame On Me ...
 

I've been officiating basketball for almost forty years, and as much as I hate to admit it, I have never read a scoreboard operation manual, not even one, certainly not more than one.

I hang my head in shame.

It could be useful, especially with clueless scoreboard operators, or when I need to make a correction. If I want to tell a scoreboard operator to correct the fouls, score, or time, I can say "Set Main Clock, 5, 0, 0, Enter" to set a Daktronics scoreboard to 50.0 seconds and "Set Shot Time, 1,7, Enter" to set the shot clock to 17 seconds (or Recall Shot Time), if the scoreboard has such an option). Different scoreboard companies have different setups, and different areas use different scoreboard types (In my area, a lot of high school and college scoreboards are Daktronics units, but some junior college scoreboards are Nevco units, with a few Fair-Play scoreboards in Virginia), so it is useful to know at least the basics of scoreboard operations for the different type of units.

Zero, Zero, Zero ...
 

The most involvement I've had with scoreboard operators regarding operation (not an on/off, early/late time issue), is when the scoreboard shows 0:00 and the horn hasn't sounded. I ask, "Is the automatic horn on?" If yes, we play a little more basketball. If not, they turn it on. Horn sounds, period's over; horn doesn't sound, let's play a little more basketball.

About a half dozen times in almost forty years.

About quarters, they could go to an NBA-style system for media timeouts where they have 3 at the 7, 5, and 3 minute marks of each quarter. The quarter break would be another opportunity for media timeouts, so quarters and media timeouts should not be mutually exclusive. However, this would be something for the 2021-23 rules cycle.

20-second reset on offensive rebounds and increasing 3-point distance make sense. However, why allow coaches to just call live-ball timeouts in the last 2 minutes of the 2nd half and overtime. I would rather keep the rule that is there for the entire game (no live-ball timeouts by coaches), for the sake of consistency and ease of administration.

I guess, but they are not a fan. NBA games take longer. Everyone does not want games to take that long. Again, this is a money issue. That means ESPN, CBS and Fox want games to last a certain amount of time. It is not happening if the TV people are not on board. They are not on board it appears. It was stated clearly, they were not on board. They want games to be in that 2-hour window or around that window. Again the NBA has more going on to allow that to happen.

Peace

So you want to go from 4 mandated time-outs to 7? I am perfectly happy with 20 minutes halves and the current media format. I'm not a big fan of changing sh!t just to change sh!t.

Because coaches make the rules and COACHES put a lot of value into the last 2 minutes and overtime. That's why I roll my eyes and tune out when officials drone on about all calls, no matter what point in the game, being equal. COLLEGE officials will have no problem adjusting to this rule change.

Another possibility could be just having the quarter breaks as media timeouts, or quarter breaks + media timeout at/under the 5 minute mark. That would keep the current number of media timeouts.

Well they don't want to do it regardless. Again, the Women's game loses money so them doing something is not something the Men's side wants to follow just to follow. The NBA is a totally different entity that has games every night and trying to substain a larger marketing plan. Men's basketball is very regional in many cases and I doubt they even want games to take as long as an NBA game. Also multiple games in a day on a national stage is also more common.

So you keep talking about this and it is not going to happen. It even seems like they are not trying to change just to change something. There was actually thought that went into not making this change.

BTW, they are not advancing the ball either. JD Collins alone sounded like he was not a fan of that at all either.

Peace

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It looks like you have found your true calling, GAME CLOCK MAVEN.

Probably a lot easier to get games at a high level and I hear the gig pays well.

Strongly encourage you to pursue this avocation...

It would be a blast to work with or as a shot clock operator, but I'd rather be an on-court official.

Still, it would be cool to see a shot clock show up nationwide on the high school level. It has been a positive experience for me so far working shot clock games in DC. Restricted area won't be too bad, if officials are willing to adjust their block/charge calls and are not afraid to call charges when warranted. As other users noted, I would welcome more, and more descriptive signals in high school basketball, to neither be castigated for using unapproved signals, nor to be a doofus for using only approved signals, when those are insufficient for the situation at hand ;).

Change for change's sake. None of this is necessary, or even desired, to make the high school game better.

And changing to quarters in men's college basketball is just dumb and there's no reason whatsoever to do it.