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BryanV21 Thu Nov 29, 2018 04:55pm

Arbiter Issues
 
Is anyone else having trouble with Arbiter today?

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Nov 29, 2018 04:56pm

Nope.


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bob jenkins Thu Nov 29, 2018 04:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1026513)
Is anyone else having trouble with Arbiter today?

I have trouble with it every day.

To be clear, the site works as designed, but I don't like the effort I have to go through to manage my 33 different groups and get the blocks and the "sharing" right.

BryanV21 Thu Nov 29, 2018 04:59pm

Damn.

I tried logging in earlier today, but it said my credentials (I'm on a personal computer, so my login and password have been saved for a long time) were wrong. I tried the "forgot password" thing and it even states my email is not in the system.

My phone is doing the same thing.

LRZ Thu Nov 29, 2018 05:08pm

Bob's "33 different groups"
 
Wow!

The_Rookie Thu Nov 29, 2018 05:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1026516)
Damn.

I tried logging in earlier today, but it said my credentials (I'm on a personal computer, so my login and password have been saved for a long time) were wrong. I tried the "forgot password" thing and it even states my email is not in the system.

My phone is doing the same thing.

Chat with tech support or the admin. person of your group who oversees Arbiter. BTW, no issues with my account today.

LRZ Thu Nov 29, 2018 06:04pm

I think the support center phone number is 1-800-311-4060.

BillyMac Thu Nov 29, 2018 06:19pm

Two Different Groups ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jerkins (Post 1026515)
I don't like the effort I have to go through to manage my 33 different groups and get the blocks and the "sharing" right.

I had a second group added this year, for state tournament games, and I'm forgetting to treat each group separately (with checks in the proper boxes).

State tournament games? I'm a journeyman official who hasn't worked a state tournament game in thirty-seven years. I seriously doubt that I'll get one this year, with a bone spur and osteoarthritis in my right ankle, and patellofemoral pain syndrome in my left knee, but hey, hope springs eternal.

It's really too bad that my body is failing me now. I thought that last season was my best ever in terms of concentration, confidence, poise, consistency, judgment, mechanics, signals, court coverage, calls, game management, being a good partner, etc., and my ratings were great, except for physical conditioning.

I can't do state tournament games when I walk with a limp like Matt Dillon's sidekick, Chester, in Gunsmoke.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.8...=0&w=300&h=300

I get older every year and the players stay the same age. It's just not fair.

BryanV21 Thu Nov 29, 2018 06:32pm

I had to leave a message with them to call me back as it wouldn't keep me in hold. Although it's been an hour and they haven't called back.

I also emailed them and have yet to get a response.

I'm currently watching the JV game with my partners for the varsity game and they aren't having issues. Hopefully they get back to me.

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LRZ Thu Nov 29, 2018 06:44pm

The last time I had to deal with the support center, it did take a day or two for the return phone call. But someone did call back.

SC Official Thu Nov 29, 2018 07:20pm

Generally when a game you’ve accepted is moved, you get a notification and have to re-accept the new date/time.

Well I had a game moved to a date I had blocked and I never got a notification or the chance to re-accept. Apparently multiple people have had that issue and Arbiter is working on it.

BillyMac Thu Nov 29, 2018 07:43pm

Software Hiccup ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1026526)
Generally when a game you’ve accepted is moved, you get a notification and have to re-accept the new date/time. Well I had a game moved to a date I had blocked and I never got a notification or the chance to re-accept. Apparently multiple people have had that issue and Arbiter is working on it.

Same thing for me two years ago. I didn't bother to followup with Arbiter (our assigner takes care of all Arbiter issues) and just called my assigner, he took care of the new reschedule. Later he told me that it was just a software "hiccup".

Nevadaref Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:54pm

I will add a few words to this thread. My opinion is that Arbiter is not a good system now because they grew too quickly when the NCAA became part of it. The servers were not equipped to handle the capacity and activity, the programmers do not have enough options available for individual officials who work in multiple areas or for multiple assignors, assignors are often frustrated with the lack of detail in their options, the tech support is slow, the fees are too high, and the security cannot be trusted. (There have been two high profile breaches that I know about, including one involving NCAA basketball officials. Additionally, the system used to email your password to you when you joined a new group. I got them to cease doing that because email accounts are relatively easy to hack.)

I was the admin for our Arbiter group for eight years. I dealt with numerous issues from various angles: the assignor side, the school admin point of view, and the individual officials. Over that time the fees were raised four times and new fees were added. We eventually concluded that Arbiter was not worth the money and dropped it. We purchased a website and hired our own programmer to design an assigning system to meet our needs. For about 20% of the cost we have a system which is ten times better.

chapmaja Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:58pm

I work as an assigner and use Arbiter both as an assigner and as an official. I think there are some good and bad things to Arbiter. One of them actually has been changed recently.

In some sports, like swimming and track, it is common to have a boys and a girls meet at the same time. Previously with Arbiter you could not have a boys and girls meet at the same time at the same site. Arbiter would block out the site and the prohibited any new assignment from being made at the site during the time period. This was a major pain.

I was notified earlier this week that they have changed this and when assigned a track meet for Spring, I found this to be true. You now receive a warning that the site is in use at that time, but you can over ride this and assign the game anyway.

Arbiter can be responsive to the needs of those using the system.

Camron Rust Fri Nov 30, 2018 03:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1026531)
I will add a few words to this thread. My opinion is that Arbiter is not a good system now because they grew too quickly when the NCAA became part of it. The servers were not equipped to handle the capacity and activity, the programmers do not have enough options available for individual officials who work in multiple areas or for multiple assignors, assignors are often frustrated with the lack of detail in their options, the tech support is slow, the fees are too high, and the security cannot be trusted. (There have been two high profile breaches that I know about, including one involving NCAA basketball officials. Additionally, the system used to email your password to you when you joined a new group. I got them to cease doing that because email accounts are relatively easy to hack.)

I was the admin for our Arbiter group for eight years. I dealt with numerous issues from various angles: the assignor side, the school admin point of view, and the individual officials. Over that time the fees were raised four times and new fees were added. We eventually concluded that Arbiter was not worth the money and dropped it. We purchased a website and hired our own programmer to design an assigning system to meet our needs. For about 20% of the cost we have a system which is ten times better.

I know of a much better and cheaper solution too! ;)

bob jenkins Fri Nov 30, 2018 09:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1026537)
I know of a much better and cheaper solution too! ;)

Yes, RefTown seems to work pretty well -- but I would like to be able to export ALL my games to Excel for a specific time period , instead of having to do it for each group separately. (Unless I'm missing something -- it's not used for Basketball here, so I haven't been on the site in a while)

BillyMac Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:57pm

Gunsmoke ...
 
If nonbasketball related television trivia bothers you, then just look away.

As basketball officials we're used to dealing with tall individuals, but others may not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1026523)
I can't do state tournament games when I walk with a limp like Matt Dillon's sidekick, Chester, in Gunsmoke.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.8...=0&w=300&h=300

You wouldn't know by the photo that Chester (Dennis Weaver) is 6' 2". He looks tiny here compared to Matt Dillon (Jim Arness) who was 6' 7".

Arness: "In one film the leading man was five-ten, and I had to play all my scenes sitting down. Then there were times when they'd dig a trench for me to stand in so I wouldn't dwarf the rest of the cast. Once they even had two leading characters wearing foot-high lifts on their shoes".

Camron Rust Fri Nov 30, 2018 01:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1026539)
Yes, RefTown seems to work pretty well -- but I would like to be able to export ALL my games to Excel for a specific time period , instead of having to do it for each group separately. (Unless I'm missing something -- it's not used for Basketball here, so I haven't been on the site in a while)

It wasn't there...but it is now. Thanks for the suggestion. :)

1. Go to Schedules -> My Games (All Accounts)
2. Use the search filter to pick the date range you want
3. Then click Quick Links -> Export

It isn't 100% polished yet. It may contain a few blank columns you may not need, but I set it include columns that may be used in any organization. I'll add more intelligence to later it to eliminate those columns if none of your organizations use them.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 30, 2018 01:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1026547)
It wasn't there...but it is now. Thanks for the suggestion. :)

1. Go to Schedules -> My Games (All Accounts)
2. Use the search filter to pick the date range you want
3. Then click Quick Links -> Export

It isn't 100% polished yet. It may contain a few blank columns you may not need, but I set it include columns that may be used in any organization. I'll add more intelligence to later it to eliminate those columns if none of your organizations use them.

Thanks -- and the specific columns don't bother me -- I have to re-format it anyway to get to my personal (for taxes) tracking spreadsheet and / or to import to Outlook for the calendar.

BryanV21 Fri Nov 30, 2018 01:35pm

Strange...

They called me back and somehow my wife's email address became my main email with them. Although my ArbiterPay account stayed the same.

Oh well, at least it's fixed.

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Texas Aggie Fri Nov 30, 2018 01:57pm

Unless you HAVE to use Arbiter, don't. Although I wish Reftown had a similar pay portal.

Camron Rust Fri Nov 30, 2018 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1026548)
Thanks -- and the specific columns don't bother me -- I have to re-format it anyway to get to my personal (for taxes) tracking spreadsheet and / or to import to Outlook for the calendar.

As for the calendar, there is already an outlook import format available (top of the date/time column of any listing of games). There is also a calendar subscription (calendar feed) that will put the same info onto your calendar automatically within a few hours of being assigned (or removed it if canceled).

Manual Calendar Entry: https://www.reftown.com/kbp_60/index...try&EntryID=77

Automatic Subscription: https://www.reftown.com/kbp_60/index...ry&EntryID=186

bob jenkins Fri Nov 30, 2018 03:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1026552)
As for the calendar, there is already an outlook import format available (top of the date/time column of any listing of games). There is also a calendar subscription (calendar feed) that will put the same info onto your calendar automatically within a few hours of being assigned (or removed it if canceled).

Manual Calendar Entry: https://www.reftown.com/kbp_60/index...try&EntryID=77

Automatic Subscription: https://www.reftown.com/kbp_60/index...ry&EntryID=186

Yes, but for various reasons the excel option works better for me.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1026515)
I have trouble with it every day.

To be clear, the site works as designed, but I don't like the effort I have to go through to manage my 33 different groups and get the blocks and the "sharing" right.


Mark, Jr., and I are in complete agreement with you. Because I only umpire baseball and softball now I only have 9 groups to manage but because Junior still does basketball besidea baseball and softball he has 19 groups on his Arbiter account, not to mention he has two other separate online assigning website for the four Div. I conferences for college softball.

Because I have retired from my real job five years ago I have become the social secretary for Junior and me, and it can take forever to go through "blocks".

MTD, Sr.


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