NFHS Part 2 Exam
 

Just submitted it. And passed with room to spare... but just want to warn the masses, there are a couple of 'correct' answers that are simply wrong.

I know, not a surprise...

I got 100% on my exam, so I think what you say is Fake News. :D

Congrats
 

Or you had the answers in advance :)

64 & 65 both have multiple correct answers...that's what bugs me most...

Care to post those two questions (or provide them in a private message)? I'd love to see what they are and what the possible answers are.

I only have access to Part 1 (which I've completed).

Part 1 had a question with 2 correct answers (Question 1 about direct technicals on a coach). It also had one question that was either ambiguous or just wrong depending on how you read it (the one on goaltending and entering the basket from below).

Here question 64 and 65 from Part 2.
 

64. The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when:
A) Time expires for a quarter or period, unless the ball is in flight for a try for goal.
B) An official's whistle is blown.
C) A player-control foul or team-control foul is called.
D) All of the above.

65. The ball is dead when:
A) A violation is committed by the free-throw team.
B) An official's whistle sounds.
C) Time expires for a quarter, except when a try is in flight.
D) All of the above.

I have 'C'.
-'A' fails to include airborne shooters
-'B' for obvious reasons

I have 'A' for the same reasons as above.

Thanks.

I'm not sure what the confusion is unless "All of the above" is unlcear.

Rule 6-7:

An airborne shooter doesn't extend the live ball. it is dead once time expires and the shot ends. The airborne shooter element only extends the opportunity for a personal foul where a dead ball normally eliminates the possibility of personal foul.

B is also true....you blow the whistle, the ball is dead, in general.

65
 

Why would 65 not be 'all of the above?' Because the 'exceptions' aren't included in the responses? That, to me, is deceptive...

Rule 6-7 EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:

a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.

Article 6 is the horn sounding to end a quarter/extra period.

Not well written, but...

Yep. And I've never liked how the NFHS tries to trick you up with wording. NCAA tests are a lot more straight forward.

It sounds like the confusion comes from the fact that the "in flight on a try for goal" exemption is only mentioned when it comes to the expiration of time.

Tricky Wording ...
 

IAABO Refresher Exams used to have tricky wording, they've been a little better the past few years.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Z...=0&w=300&h=300

Interesting. I was thinking of this...

I think I mixed up this, where a made goal does make the ball dead, even with an airborne shooter but expiration of time doesn't.

I think the primary point on these questions is that they are all generally true. There are nuanced exceptions. But, that is reading more into the questions than is there.

This.

NCAA tests and quizzes actually ask 'real world,' situational cases that force you into the rules and case books.

The answers for both are D.
These are NFHS rules exams. They test you on the word for word text in the book, not scenarios asking you to make a ruling on a situation.
Basically, if the text is in the book, it is a correct answer on these exams.

Camron, I think we discussed this confusion last year. Even if the try was good the ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Rule 6-7 Exception is correct and the supporting case play is 6.7.4. In part, "Airborne shooter A1's foul is a player control foul which does cause the ball to become dead immediately . . . even if the ball had gone through the basket before the foul."

I disagree. There is no ambiguity on a made goal making the ball dead....there are no exceptions attached to that line.

You skipped a part in the case citation that changes the meaning.

6.7.4's point about making the ball dead immediately is right. The underlying situation is that the shot was still in flight. They go on to say that even if it wasn't and had already gone in, the goal still doesn't count. That statement does not support the claim that the ball is still live after a made goal.

I agree, and that's how I responded. But the answer was not D (at least for one of them...I don't have my paper test with me).

Unfortunately, in my state, they do not provide the correct answer upon submission thru the online portal.

This would be true in the case of basket interference by a defender. See 4.19.6 Situation A. Then go to 4.19.9 Situation A and you will see the goal scored by A1 does not cause the ball to be dead. The ball becomes dead when A1 commits a player control foul while returning to the floor.

Correct. The exception is attached to 6-7-7 in regards to a foul which occurs by a defender during a try for goal or by an airborne shooter returning to the floor.

Trying to decipher all the posts. Which answers are true? Did someone try to explain that 64A and 65C are false because there is no mention of the shooter being airborne?

Yes. In post #6

When someone shoots and makes a desperation heave before the buzzer, and they do not leave or jump off the ground, are you telling me a ref is not going to count it b/c they were not airborne? Seems laughable if I am understanding that is what posters are saying. And if it is correct by rule, no ref would still enforce that (just as my tagline indicates).

I don't see where you get that from??? I don't think anyone said that at any point. See Camron's Post #7. They are all true. I just took the test on Wed but haven't received results back. I'll reply in a week with my "official" scoring w/references.

In 64 the wording is important. The ball becomes or remains dead when...

Fundamentals of basketball:
16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead)

What does that have to do with the ball becoming dead, which is what the two questions are about?

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You are saying that they are all true. Raymond, in post 6, did not agree with that and gave different answers. Then the thread got wacky and things were lost in translation. So, clearly there was disagreement at one point.

Yet, if you blow your whistle to address a hazard on the floor, confer with the scorer, fix a clock error, observe blood on a player, stop the game for an injury, etc. the ball becomes dead when the official blows the whistle. Lots of ways for that to happen.

The correct answer to both is "D...all of the above". All of those events generally cause the ball to become dead. Don't try to parse the words to find a flaw, particularity when two of the 3 are clearly true. By trying to argue that there are two right answers and say the question is bad is just trying to read too much into the question.