Could you guys (and Julie) post some examples of borderline cases for when you would/would not give a technical foul.

Last year I reffed MS and HS girls ball and never gave a T to a coach once.--And only one to a player. The coaches in this league are well mannered and I never even heard of one given out last year. Looking back there was only once where a coach really deserved it-but since I kicked the call I just gave him a warning (and he apologized after the game).

HS Boys ball around here is different and T's are more common. I hope to ref more boys ball this year and would like to hear some cases of when a T was borderline but you think best to give it. Similarly I would like to hear about stories when a coach pushed the line-- but did not cross it.

And before you ask -yes boys ball and girls ball are on different nights around here.

OC,

Experience will tell you what to put up with. If you watch a lot of basketball, you will notice some refs have quick triggers and others endure more criticisms.

I figure there are a few categories:

1. Administrative techs that can not be ignored (6 players on the court, excessive timeouts etc...)

2. Unsportsmanlike conduct that is blatant (loud swearing, throwing the ball in the stands in frustration, blatant gestures...)

3. And finally the techs for constant questionning and complaining. I have no problem with a coach questionning a call a few times a games. But if it becomes a constant thing where I here complaints every second trip down the floor, I will warn the coach that I will not put up with it any longer.

I do not have a quick trigger. But I am not a door mat either.

As you start out at a higher level, you may have some coaches who will test you to see how far they can go. If so, take care of business.

Last point, when calling a tech, do so in a calm manner. It shows to everyone that you are under control.

Jay

oc,
I made a travel call in the post, from 2-man Trail.
During the ensuing dead ball, the coach stepped 5' onto the court and called me over to him.
I jogged to him, hands folded behind my back and my ear leaning toward him. He said, "Mick, that was a bull **** call!"
I took a step back and whacked him.
No one heard what he said except me. (<I>In fact, he even mentioned that he didn't think he deserved a "T", because it was just between us.</I>)
I am not easily disturbed by language, but that night, on that floor, his choice of words struck me as being offensive.
Three weeks later, at coach's and my next game together and during pregame, he said he would "behave tonight". We chuckled. :)
mick

You want borderline cases. In borderline situations, I usually try to warn first. Notice, I'm talking here about borderline stuff. Anything that's defined in the book gets a T the first time -- administrative (although below varsity, I'm a little lenient on these sometimes), unsportsmanlike, and so on. Any coach or player who is clearly quite inexperienced, I warn first, unless it's just foul. For instance, the swear word quietly under the breath when the shot is missed, I may ignore, or I may warn. Anything directed at me quietly I will respond to, or warn the first time, as long as it doesn't include profanity (automatic) or the name of Jesus (pushes my buttons!).

Continual, or repeated whining, I will warn but once only. Then whack! This would be stuff such as, "When you gonna call the foul?" "I can't believe you called that" "You're killing us here" "Travel, travel, oh, my, gosh" "That was a terrible call" and so on ad nauseum. If it goes on more than about 30 or 40 seconds in a row (as the game continues), I warn, and then allow the occasional single comment, but no more repeated stuff. If it is about one play, I warn after about 15 seconds, or if it is holdng up the game, I'll warn in about 5 seconds, or just whack.

The only coach T I gave last season was to a coach who just whined along, quietly. She never did talk loud enough for the crowd to hear, but her players did. When they started copping an attitude, I warned the coach, although she apparently didn't hear me -- she really was not stopping at all. Finally, I'd had enough and I shut her down. After the firt T, I still allowed her an occasional comment, but she didn't do anymore whining. But she was fine the rest of the game.

I would say, as a general rule, in borderline situations, always warn first, even -- or maybe especially -- with the more capable, experienced coaches. If the same thing happens again, probably whack. Remember that the T is supposed to make the game better. If a warning will do the job, that's better for everyone. YOu maintain control and authority without embarassing or belittling anyone. This looks good to evaluators. When you've tried everything else, and the T is the only thing left, well, use it.

[Edited by rainmaker on Oct 13th, 2003 at 09:39 AM]

Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

If a coach is wondering outside Michigan's dinky 6'0" box, I may say:
<LI>That's a big box tonight, eh?<LI>Are you okay with where the box is tonight?<LI>Are you getting mileage tonight?

mick

Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

How about, "Come back to your cage, little lost puppy"?

Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

I'll, maybe, save that one for my very last game. ;)

Re: Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

I have a partner who said he actually used that one! Of course, he had known the coach for several years.

Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

That's how it feels to me when I have to remind a coach. "Back in your box!" or "The box, coach" sounds like talking to an animal. I've started using a more feminine version, "Coach I really need you to stay inside your lines here. (with gesture)." Or more firmly, "Coach, you need to stay inside your lines." It just feels less aggressive.

I personally think that Technical fouls in general are boarderline and avoidable. And whether we like it or not, book Ts are blamed heavily on the officials when they happen. Even many of the conduct ones are also avoidable if you handle yourself properly from the beginning to the end. I have gone entire seasons without giving one T. If you are a good communicator this can be easily accomplished and if you know what your responsibilities as an official are.

Peace

The size of a coaching box should always be a l'il bit flexible. The size of a "bit@hing" box is never flexible. JMO.

Re: Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

My line is always, "Coach, I need you to find your box, please". I think it's polite, but not a suggestion.

Re: Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

I spent much of last year training my puppy behavior type things like "stay", "no" - you know, one word sharp commands to quickly get his attention. Anywho, about this time during an AAU game a coach jumped up suddenly to voice his displeasure, I turned around and sharply said "SIT!". He looked at me like I was nuts, started to say something, then just sat down.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

Next time you're going to do this, let me know ahead of tiem, wouja please? I'd pay for a airline ticket to see it!!

Re: Re: Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

When you looked at him with that tone of voice, I'll bet it was very effective.

This here is something all officials should take a look at and think about before calling a T. It doesn't matter if it kids, high school, college or pros. Take a look at this statement. Notice that the coach "apologized after the game".

I've never T'ed anyone up and I had chances. Doing men's college fraternity games is very physical. I had one player who complained about getting fouled then would foul hard. He spent the last 15 seconds of the game clapping in my face. Now let me ask you these questions.
1. What good would it have done to T him up?
2. Would I have had control the next time I did either of those teams?
3. Would the player have settled down his play?

Answers:
1. None, no good whatsoever. Because
2. I would not have had control because other officials who did their games never had control of those games and most ended in fights, and
3. No, he would've continued to take a run at guys.

But because I didn't ring him up in a game where the result didn't matter (10-point game), he apologized to me after the game and before the next. He played much better and the "goon" was no longer.

So think, do I really need to ring a guy up? The only time I'll ever T a guy up is if an assault occurs or if anyone screams a word you can't say on Nickelodeon.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sportsannouncing
[B]I think it depends a lot on the context of the game. I'm sure you let stuff go that I could never ignore, but that's because we're in very different settings. Where you are, you can maintain control your way. Where oc and I are working the expectations are much different, and we are going to call it much tighter. I'm not criticizing you, at all, but I do want others who read this board to realize that the standards are different in different places, and at different levels.

sportsannouncing,

Many of us avoid the "T". The overiding philosophy on this board is to "T" if it'll make the game better.

It took me 12 years to "T" a coach. You gave one instance of not issuing a "T" and that it worked. Fine. There are times when issuing a "T" works as per your questions #2 and #3.

There is much peer pressure on college frat game officials to avoid calling "T", but if your name was Dexter, you will have outgrown that problem a long time ago.

mick

I do understand that situations are different in other places. What I am saying is that the frat-ball is more physical than any UNC/NC State, Maryland/Duke game you get.

I call it tight, I call all games tight. I've seen too many loose referees lose control after two minutes. I've called intentional fouls 10 seconds into games because it was an intentional foul.

Player: "How is that intentional?"
Me: "Were you trying to foul him?"
Player: "Yes"

Still wanted to know why I called it intentional but when a player going up for a layup is pushed in the back, it's intentional whether it's the NBA, NCAA or men's adult league.

What I am saying is think before you "T". You'd be surprised by how much better you can control games later on down the line.

Mick,

I'm glad to finally have found a place where officials are avoiding the T. The problem lingers though from those who do like to call it that aren't here. That "T" situation is one of many that's happened to me and one of hundreds I've seen with other officials.

In the frat games, I had no ties to any of the teams and I knew the rules/positioning better than anyone (including the head ref) which is why I was there. There was also the peer pressure and I have no problem telling a player to his face that he should settle down. I just wish those of us out there would find a way to convey the message that a 'T' doesn't mean you are a man and that "showing up the official" is really a myth.

BTW-This is good to do if a coach is upset and drops the ball instead of handing it to you. Just look at him, smile and say, "That was pretty funny". Turn and go back to the game. The spotlight is now back on the coach who can't turn around because he's embarassed. He wanted the 'T', he didn't get it, now he's embarassed for trying to make the referee look bad. He wont try that stuff again and even tells stories about the time he himself looked bad to a referee.

sportsannouncing,
My guess is that you have six of one and 1/2-dozen of another on that one.
For each person that sees the coach as being assinine, you have another wondering why the official didn't take care of bidness.

Over the years, with the help of officials on this forum, I have come to the conclusion the the technical foul is not the <I>Grand mal</I> of all fouls, but that it is just another foul issued, in many instances, by a calm professional in the course of maintaing control of a game.

The technical foul is over-rated by many fans, players and coaches. Shucks they get to have two of 'em before they become ineligible! They are not a big deal to avoid, but they are a tool to be used for decorum against travesty.

And technical fouls are earned by the participants. We try to talk to those participants, to ease their pain. How many times does an official try to avoid calling the technical compared to trying to avoid calling holding, pushing, or hands? They earn technical fouls; they ask for them. We reward their actions.

Anyway, once I became comfortable with that mindset, they are for me just another tool to use.

mick



[Edited by mick on Oct 13th, 2003 at 01:51 PM]

Over the years, with the help of officials on this forum, I have come to the conclusion the the technical foul is not the <I>Grand mal</I> of all fouls, but that it is just another foul issued, in many instances, by a calm professional in the course of maintaing control of a game.

The technical foul is over-rated by many fans, players and coaches. Shucks they get to have two of 'em before they become ineligible! They are not a big deal to avoid, but they are a tool to be used for decorum against travesty.

And technical fouls are earned by the participants. We try to talk to those participants, to ease their pain. How many times does an official try to avoid calling the technical compared to trying to avoid calling holding, pushing, or hands? They earn technical fouls; they ask for them. We reward their actions.

Anyway, once I became comfortable with that mindset, they are for me just another tool to use.

[/B][/QUOTE]Just an excellent post,imo!! Couldn't agree more.

Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

Is this for games with visiting Canadian teams? :-p

Re: Re: Outside the coaching box can be borderline.
 

Nope. Those are much larger boxes cuz they are sometimes filled with several people, ...and you need a place to put those crooked sticks. :)

T's
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sportsannouncing
[B]-Although I have not given many T's I feel the need for it to be used. Now that I have been a ref a bit I am embarrassed to admit that when I was a coach I was a whiner. Quite often when I didn't like a call I would chirp in my little useless opinion. In fact I would voice my opinion on most calls. I did not go on and on-- just a couple of seconds each time enough to be heard. However embarrased I am to admit that I think it is also partially the refs fault for allowing me to do that. We usually had the same group of refs who were good guys but during the game I would ride them. I never got abusive, never used foul language and consequently never got a T. In fact I never even got any warnings -except once from a different ref we had never had before. He warned me and I shut up. --Looking back our usual refs allowed me to ride them-I knew what I could get away with and I did. I was a jerk sometimes-and that is my fault- but if they warned me or T'd me just once I would have shut up.

Now one of the coaches I may ref next year is my former assistant. He is now the V boys coach at a rival school. As I kind of trained him and he was reffed by the same guys that allowed me to whine he is now a whiner. So how do you deal with coaches like I was? Once you warned them to stop chirping do you T them next time they open their mouth? I am enclided to let it go if they shut up for awhile after the warning-but worried that weakens the warning if they can start whining again 5-10 minutes later.

[Edited by oc on Oct 14th, 2003 at 12:08 AM]

So, basically, you're just too chickens*** to do the dirty work and T someone up when it's necessary.

T's are a last resort, but they are occasionally necessary. If you don't have the nerve, you don't belong out there.

I was gonna say it a little nicer than that, but that was my thought, too. Somebody stands still and claps in your face? Bang-o!

after reading this post I felt uncomfortable with you supporting what I wrote. After reading your other post about big heads I feel real uncomfortable with you affirming anything I wrote-if you agree with me I am probably wrong.

Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

Your answers are wrong and your closing statement is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Assault!!!?? It is now too late and it is now that calling a "T" will absolutely make no difference. You have let your game get completely out of control ... likely due to your reluctance to impose proper penalties for improper behaviour - you didn't call the "T" when you should have done so.

And you say the "goon" was no longer. WRONG wrong wrong. The goon is still a goon and just hasn't resurfaced again - he will be back and it maybe for some other official besides you. YOU REINFORCED the allowance of his actions because YOU FAILED TO PENALIZE HIM. The playing fields today are filled with "goons" waiting for opportunities to laugh in the face authority. For some undeserved reason you seemed to only have had one goon in your game - if I was on the opposing team I would have been very tempted to goon you also. I mean the other guy can do it, guess I can too. Why don't we all clap in your idiotic face while you don't call fouls? (And you say, you call a tight game?! There is nothing tight about not enforcing proper penalties.)

You have made a mess. You have created a misunderstanding for players because you have allowed and accepted extreme confrontational humiliation that other officials are not willing to tolerate. I pray you are not mentoring any up and coming officials. I pray you don't get the living crap beat out of you some night for your extreme tolerance of absolutely unacceptable behaviour.

Your premise of thinking about what is to be gained by calling a techinical foul is a valid one, however, you have set the line of tolerance way beyond what is reasonable. Other officials following behind you will need to cleanup your mess.

I appologise to the board. I am done responding to your idiotic blubbering, SportAnnouncer.
:(

Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

The responsed I received this post are what I am talking about when it comes to Big Heads. Everyone who responded was "Immediate T", "don't tolerate it", "you were wrong".

If I was wrong then why was it that kid didn't try anything again, EVER, even when I wasn't there. That wasn't hypotheical, THAT REALLY HAPPENED. This is what infuriates me as a fan, an announcer and an official is to see referees like this who think THEY have to control the game. It's not the referees job to CONTROL and be seen. If you make the right call early, you wont have to make the "T" call later.

Take a look at your "T" calls. Take a serious look at them. Why did you call them. Then ask yourself, why did the situation arise that I had to call it. Did I miss a call earlier in the game. Should I have made that call. Should I have acknowledged one of the players earlier? Most (around 95%) of technicals are the direct result of a blown or bad call. Instead of taking some criticism on the side of improvement, it's obvious you all think you are the best and never make a mistake and for that I am very fearful for those who have to play with you on the court.

"absolutely unacceptable behaviour"? What is unacceptable behavior is a referee who shows up to do a game and goes through the motions. I am game any day, any time, any where to put my shirt on and go out there. I NEVER go through the motions because it's unfair to those participating, those watching and those paying. I don't streak off the court after the game while only jog down the sidelines during a game. I don't call plays through players (which a lot of NCAA officials do). I don't call upper-body travelling (look at it, a lot of officials do that). And I don't go through the motions.

I was hoping to get on here to get a better idea of why officials are they way they are in Virginia, Florida, California and New York. Because the officials I talk to and work with here in North Carolina seem to have it down right.

Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

If you weren't there how do you know?

Quote:

... Most (around 95%) of technicals are the direct result of a blown or bad call.

That sounds pretty factual. Perhaps you have a reference?

Quote:

... I don't call plays through players (which a lot of NCAA officials do). I don't call upper-body travelling (look at it, a lot of officials do that). ... I was hoping to get on here to get a better idea of why officials are they way they are in Virginia, Florida, California and New York. Because the officials I talk to and work with here in North Carolina seem to have it down right.

Sounds like you got 'er whipped. And you're trying to tell me I've got a big head. Amazing?!

Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

So help me out here...you MADE the right calls earlier AND the player STILL got in your face, clapping to publicly humilate you? Perhaps you should educate us on what kind of UNACCEPTABLE behavior might have happened if you HADN'T called it so tight. :rolleyes:

Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

You're xxxx nuts.

[Edited by mick on Oct 14th, 2003 at 08:44 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

well said. Please dont let this quack divert this thread too much. Can anyone give me more advice on what is a marginable T that should be given and what should just get a warning. Specifically how to deal with a coach that yaps-no offensive language, and not too loud, just consantlly annoying. One warning and then the T or give them some slack if they shut up for awhile after the warning.

[Edited by mick on Oct 14th, 2003 at 08:43 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

I can't help you with this. We all have our own tolerance levels. We go through stages of giving too many, not giving enough, until we're happy with the T's we give. I will say if you leave a game, go home, wake up the next day and during lunch the following day say to yourself "I should have T'ed that xxxx guy up" then you're getting to know your limits. :)

(BTW, if you want to know what xxxx means ask Mick ;) )

Edit:
BTW, any T should make the game better. If it won't help the game don't bother.

[Edited by Dan_ref on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:07 PM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

I think you have to find what works in your area, what works with other officials you have to work with and what standards might be set. Technical fouls are judgment much of the time. They are not things that are always cut and dry. Of course some are, but the use of language can vary from one place to another. When the level changes, a lot of what is offensive can change. You need to figure out where you line is, then not let it be crossed too often. If you can change the behavior with out calling a T, you have won. But sometimes you do what you have to do.

You are only going to learn this from experience and time. There is not much we can do to say, "this is automatic" when that might not be something you cannot handle without resorting to a T.

Peace

You're xxxx nuts.

[/B][/QUOTE]Mick's xxxx nuts??

My xxxx nuts??

Chuck's xxxx nut??

Whose??



[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:14 PM]

My xxxx nuts?? [/B][/QUOTE]

We've proven 1 thing: we are both easily trained.

Aint that right Mick? :)

Chuck's xxxx nut??

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:14 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]

Awwwww geeze, I know EXACTLY where this is going...

Awwwww geeze, I know EXACTLY where this is going...

[/B][/QUOTE]Probably in the dumper as soon as Mick reads it!

Probably in the dumper as soon as Mick reads it! [/B][/QUOTE]

[moving things along here]
I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...
[/moving things along here]

[moving things along here]
I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...
[/moving things along here] [/B][/QUOTE]

Aw, Shoot!
I'm sittin' here all alone (with all my friends) laughing.
Yeah, you guys are xxxx trainable, but you ain't house broke by a long shot, ... or a short shot.

Chuck's xxxx nut??

[/B][/QUOTE]

I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...

[/B][/QUOTE]
Chuck was in your backyard today?? :confused:

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/photo7.jpg

I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...

[/B][/QUOTE]
Chuck was in your backyard today?? :confused:

http://www.sodamnfunny.com/Picture/Animal/photo7.jpg [/B][/QUOTE]

Took ya xxxx long enough!

:rolleyes:

The one thing that you're missing is that ANY official, even a rookie, can call a game "tight." Call every bit of contact a foul.

What differentiates a rookie from an experienced top-level official is the ability to see contact and pass on the foul. Look it up -- a foul is not to be called on every bit of contact. The principle of advantage/disadvantage is leaned on heavily by the best officials.

Player goes up for a rebound and is bumped from behind by an opponent. If the player in front clears the rebound anyway, the contact from behind is not a foul. It's easy to call that foul, but it is not the right call and not the call that will move you up the food chain.

The hardest thing for me when I moved up full time to the varsity level was knowing when NOT to call a foul. And I usually feel the worst when my whistle is too quick and I call a foul I could've passed on. Happens less and less each year, but still happens once in a great while.

Rich

Is it time for the Tower Philosophy reprint ?
 

"The Tower Philosophy".
"The Tower Philosophy" is not a written document but a guiding principle used by editors of the rules committee. The Tower Philosophy came from Oswald Tower, a past Editor of the Rules committee and was espoused by his predecessor, John Bunn.

Rules Philosophy and Principles

"As a result of observing officiating in various parts of the U.S.A. and internationally and responding to the many inquiries that have come to the atttention of the Editor for a response as to the official ruling of a certain situation that occurred, there are some principles that evidence themselves as being basic to the answer of the majority of inquiries. They reflect a need for thought towards a realistic approach to officiating rather than a literal approach. A well-officiated ball game is one in which the official has called the game in accordance with the spirit and intent of the basketball rules as established by the Rules Committee. In effect, it is a realistic approach rather than a literalistic approach.

The basic and fundamental responsibility of a basketball official, while officiating a contest, is to have the game proceed and played with as little interference as possible on the part of the official. This is not to say that he is not to blow the whistle when a rule has been violated; but it is one of not seeking ways to call infractions not intended by the spirit and intent of the rule.

Some thirty years ago, John Bunn phrased for the Basketball Rules Committee what was called the 'Oswald Tower Philosophy', and it best represents what the Rules Committee believes and supports regarding the officiating of a contest. The philosophy is expressed as followed:

'It is the purpose of the rules to penalize a player who by reason of an illegal act has placed his opponent at a disadvantage.'

It represents a realistic approach to guide the judgment of officials in making decisions on all situations where the effect upon the play is the key factor in determining whether or not a rule violation has occurred.

As an illustration, Rule 10 - Section 10 of the rules states, 'A player shall not contact an opponent with his hand unless such contact is only with the opponent's hand while it is on the ball and is incidental to an attempt to play the ball...' If an official did not take a realistic approach to this particular rule and officiated the rule literally, the basketball game would be one of continual fouls and whistle blowing. A good official realizes that contact, not only in the instance cited previously, but also in other aspects of the game must be looked at in terms of the effect it creates on the opponent. If there is no apparent disadvantage to an opponent then, realistically speaking, no rule violation has occurred. The official must use discretion in applying this rule and all rules.

The "Tower Philosophy" stated in another manner is as follows:

'It is not the intent that the rules shall be interpreted literally, rather they should be applied in relation to the effect which the action of the players has upon their opponents. If they are unfairly affected as a result of a violation of rules, then the transgressor shall be penalized. If there has been no appreciable effect upon the progress of the game, then the game shall not be interrupted. The act should be ignored. It is incidental and not vital. Realistically and practically, no violation has occurred.'

The Rules Committee has, over the years, operated under this fundamental philosophy in establishing its interpretations so far as officiating is concerned. Obviously, this philosophy assumes that the official has a thorough understanding of the game. Officials are hired to officiate basketball games because the employer believes that he has basketball intelligence and an understanding of the mood and climate that prevails during a basketball game. The excellent official exercises mature judgment in each play situation in light of the basic philosophy stated. Inquiries indicate that some coaches and officials are too concerned over trivial or unimportant details about play situations during the game. Much time and thought is wasted in digging up hyper-technicalities, which are of little or no significance. In the Editor's travels, he finds that, unfortunately in some Rules Clinics and officials' meetings and interpretation sessions there are those who would sidetrack the 'bread and butter' discussions too often and get involved with emotional discussions over situations that might happen once in a lifetime. In many instances, these very same officials are looking for a mechanical device and many times it is these very officials who are the ultra-literal minded, strict constructionists who have no faith in their own evaluation or judgment. This minority are those who are categorized as the excessive whistle blowers who are not enhancing our game: in fact, they hurt the game. They are the very ones who want a spelled-out and detailed rule for every tiny detail to replace judgment. The Basketball Rules Committee is looking for the official with a realistic and humanistic approach in officiating the game of basketball. Did he violate the spirit and intended purpose of the rule?"

Quote from Sportsannouncing: "I was hoping to get on here to get a better idea of why officials are they way they are in Virginia, Florida, California and New York. Because the officials I talk to and work with here in North Carolina seem to have it down right."

Hey BktBallRef,

Comforting words coming from this guy?

Re: Re: Sport Announcing MESS MAKER
 

Whoa!

First off, most calls that players, coaches, and fans think are "bad calls" are actually called correctly - the aforementioned people simply don't know the rules.

Second, even if we do completely bungle a call, it's no excuse for yelling, screaming, and carrying on like a two year old.

Hey Tony!
 

Hey Tony, why are you so quiet? Do you get to work with Jarrod on occasion? He's singing your praises. :D

You didn't clap in his face and tell him he was doing a good job, did you? ;)

Sportsannouncing mis-spoke. Things are A-O.K. here in Virginia -- I know this because this is where I officiate. :D

My Two Cents
 

I'm joining this conversation a bit late, but let me add a few thoughts.

First -- Officiating in Florida is doing ok as well. Even heard John Guthrie (head of SEC/ACC) tell us at camp that Florida is on the cutting edge of officials training.

Next -- a "T" on a possible blown call can be a borderline call. Don't forget some great game management techniques. If you blow one, admit it to the coach -- "sorry coach, I may have kicked that one" will shut him down faster than anything -- what can he say after that? He know's you can't change a call -- so he'll sit down or become a howler monkey and then you can deal with his mistake, not yours. Also, Hustle, Hustle, Hustle -- being in position to make the right call can also prevent these borderline situations.

SportsAnnoucner -- get a copy of a CCA manual men's or women's before you complain about NCAA officials "calling through people."

And on the lighter side -- speaking of XXXX nuts -- any other Cubs fans feel like you've been kicked there recently?

Re: My Two Cents
 

Yabut.....if you use that line more than once a game, I'll guarantee that the coach will have a whole bunch more to say.

Great point!!


[Edited by LSams on Oct 16th, 2003 at 10:32 AM]