Techincal fouls

[DownTownTonyBrown]

Originally posted by sportsannouncing
...kid didn't try anything again, EVER, even when I wasn't there. That wasn't hypotheical, THAT REALLY HAPPENED.

If you weren't there how do you know?

... Most (around 95%) of technicals are the direct result of a blown or bad call.

That sounds pretty factual. Perhaps you have a reference?

... I don't call plays through players (which a lot of NCAA officials do). I don't call upper-body travelling (look at it, a lot of officials do that). ...
I was hoping to get on here to get a better idea of why officials are they way they are in Virginia, Florida, California and New York. Because the officials I talk to and work with here in North Carolina seem to have it down right.

Sounds like you got 'er whipped. And you're trying to tell me I've got a big head. Amazing?!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by sportsannouncing
If you make the right call early, you wont have to make the "T" call later.

So help me out here...you MADE the right calls earlier AND the player STILL got in your face, clapping to publicly humilate you? Perhaps you should educate us on what kind of UNACCEPTABLE behavior might have happened if you HADN'T called it so tight.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by sportsannouncing

Most (around 95%) of technicals are the direct result of a blown or bad call.

You're xxxx nuts.

[Edited by mick on Oct 14th, 2003 at 08:44 PM]

[oc]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

You're xxxx nuts.

well said. Please dont let this quack divert this thread too much. Can anyone give me more advice on what is a marginable T that should be given and what should just get a warning. Specifically how to deal with a coach that yaps-no offensive language, and not too loud, just consantlly annoying. One warning and then the T or give them some slack if they shut up for awhile after the warning.

[Edited by mick on Oct 14th, 2003 at 08:43 PM]

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by oc

well said. Please dont let this quack divert this thread too much. Can anyone give me more advice on what is a marginable T that should be given and what should just get a warning. Specifically how to deal with a coach that yaps-no offensive language, and not too loud, just consantlly annoying. One warning and then the T or give them some slack if they shut up for awhile after the warning.

I can't help you with this. We all have our own tolerance levels. We go through stages of giving too many, not giving enough, until we're happy with the T's we give. I will say if you leave a game, go home, wake up the next day and during lunch the following day say to yourself "I should have T'ed that xxxx guy up" then you're getting to know your limits.

(BTW, if you want to know what xxxx means ask Mick )

Edit:
BTW, any T should make the game better. If it won't help the game don't bother.

[Edited by Dan_ref on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:07 PM]

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by oc


well said. Please dont let this quack divert this thread too much. Can anyone give me more advice on what is a marginable T that should be given and what should just get a warning. Specifically how to deal with a coach that yaps-no offensive language, and not too loud, just consantlly annoying. One warning and then the T or give them some slack if they shut up for awhile after the warning.

I think you have to find what works in your area, what works with other officials you have to work with and what standards might be set. Technical fouls are judgment much of the time. They are not things that are always cut and dry. Of course some are, but the use of language can vary from one place to another. When the level changes, a lot of what is offensive can change. You need to figure out where you line is, then not let it be crossed too often. If you can change the behavior with out calling a T, you have won. But sometimes you do what you have to do.

You are only going to learn this from experience and time. There is not much we can do to say, "this is automatic" when that might not be something you cannot handle without resorting to a T.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

You're xxxx nuts.

[/B][/QUOTE]Mick's xxxx nuts??

My xxxx nuts??

Chuck's xxxx nut??

Whose??



[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:14 PM]

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

You're xxxx nuts.

My xxxx nuts?? [/B][/QUOTE]

We've proven 1 thing: we are both easily trained.

Aint that right Mick?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

You're xxxx nuts.

Chuck's xxxx nut??

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:14 PM] [/B][/QUOTE]

Awwwww geeze, I know EXACTLY where this is going...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Chuck's xxxx nut??

Awwwww geeze, I know EXACTLY where this is going...

[/B][/QUOTE]Probably in the dumper as soon as Mick reads it!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Awwwww geeze, I know EXACTLY where this is going...

Probably in the dumper as soon as Mick reads it! [/B][/QUOTE]

[moving things along here]
I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...
[/moving things along here]

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Probably in the dumper as soon as Mick reads it!

[moving things along here]
I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...
[/moving things along here] [/B][/QUOTE]

Aw, Shoot!
I'm sittin' here all alone (with all my friends) laughing.
Yeah, you guys are xxxx trainable, but you ain't house broke by a long shot, ... or a short shot.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
[/B]

Chuck's xxxx nut??

[/B][/QUOTE]

I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...

[/B][/QUOTE]
Chuck was in your backyard today??

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Chuck's xxxx nut??

[/B]

I saw the strangest SQUIRREL in my backyard today...

[/B][/QUOTE]
Chuck was in your backyard today??

[/B][/QUOTE]

Took ya xxxx long enough!

[Rich]

Originally posted by sportsannouncing
I do understand that situations are different in other places. What I am saying is that the frat-ball is more physical than any UNC/NC State, Maryland/Duke game you get.

I call it tight, I call all games tight. I've seen too many loose referees lose control after two minutes. I've called intentional fouls 10 seconds into games because it was an intentional foul.

Player: "How is that intentional?"
Me: "Were you trying to foul him?"
Player: "Yes"

Still wanted to know why I called it intentional but when a player going up for a layup is pushed in the back, it's intentional whether it's the NBA, NCAA or men's adult league.

What I am saying is think before you "T". You'd be surprised by how much better you can control games later on down the line.

The one thing that you're missing is that ANY official, even a rookie, can call a game "tight." Call every bit of contact a foul.

What differentiates a rookie from an experienced top-level official is the ability to see contact and pass on the foul. Look it up -- a foul is not to be called on every bit of contact. The principle of advantage/disadvantage is leaned on heavily by the best officials.

Player goes up for a rebound and is bumped from behind by an opponent. If the player in front clears the rebound anyway, the contact from behind is not a foul. It's easy to call that foul, but it is not the right call and not the call that will move you up the food chain.

The hardest thing for me when I moved up full time to the varsity level was knowing when NOT to call a foul. And I usually feel the worst when my whistle is too quick and I call a foul I could've passed on. Happens less and less each year, but still happens once in a great while.

Rich