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Scrapper1 Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:01pm
Did I miss the Teddy Valentine thread?
 
Teddy V not invited to the NCAA Tourney due to turning his back on a player. Has nobody mentioned this yet?

Rich Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:02pm
No, and his subsequent publicizing this means he's probably done. Maybe he's decided to retire.

Say what you will, he's one of the best of all time.


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SC Official Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:24pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018789)
No, and his subsequent publicizing this means he's probably done. Maybe he's decided to retire.

Say what you will, he's one of the best of all time.
Agreed, but this caused me to lose a lot of respect for him.

But, you're right, there's a reason he got the games he got in spite of what most fanboys think about him.

Rich Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:36pm
There's no reason such a disciplinary action should be kept quiet.

If Collins doesn't make it public, there's no reason Valentine can't, if that's what he wants.


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bucky Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018797)
There's no reason such a disciplinary action should be kept quiet.

If Collins doesn't make it public, there's no reason Valentine can't, if that's what he wants.


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Aren't officials taught from day one to not speak/interact with any media? Can't tell you how many times JD and my assignors told us that. It is preached every year at all levels.

Rich Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:49am
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1018803)
Aren't officials taught from day one to not speak/interact with any media? Can't tell you how many times JD and my assignors told us that. It is preached every year at all levels.

Maybe he feels he has nothing left to lose.


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Nevadaref Tue Mar 13, 2018 01:01am
There are consequences for actions. He chose to behave that way on a court in front of everyone. He needs to accept what happens afterward.

For him to whine about not being selected and call it unfair is sad.
It's completely justified that he wasn't selected due to something that he did during a game. It was his conduct without any involvement from anyone else. If he can't accept that, then he should probably retire.

AremRed Tue Mar 13, 2018 02:32am
JD put him in the Final Four last year. JD didn't include him this year. He publicly criticized JD.

I'd bet he's done.

I'm really interested to see if Joe DeRosa works this year. He hasn't the past two years after allegedly not being very close with JD and competing for the national coordinator job against him.

BillyMac Tue Mar 13, 2018 05:51am
Happy Valentiine's Day ...
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/ted-valenti...005438325.html

SC Official Tue Mar 13, 2018 06:35am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018797)
There's no reason such a disciplinary action should be kept quiet.

If Collins doesn't make it public, there's no reason Valentine can't, if that's what he wants.
Why shouldn't it be kept quiet? There have been Final Four-experienced officials in previous years that didn't make the cut for whatever reason, and I don't remember them going to the media.

Are you saying that Collins should have publicized a list of all the officials that would have gotten in the tournament absent disciplinary issues?

Rich Tue Mar 13, 2018 07:48am
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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1018826)
Why shouldn't it be kept quiet? There have been Final Four-experienced officials in previous years that didn't make the cut for whatever reason, and I don't remember them going to the media.



Are you saying that Collins should have publicized a list of all the officials that would have gotten in the tournament absent disciplinary issues?

I think my problem with the whole thing is that someone is lying in the Yahoo article.


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crosscountry55 Tue Mar 13, 2018 08:02am
We don't know all of the facts. What we do appear to know is that Teddy Valentine talked to ESPN on Monday (who reached out to who is unclear).

I agree with Rich that if JD doesn't want to publicly comment (and I agree with his actions of not doing so), Teddy has every right to do so on his own. But there's a right way and a wrong way to talk to ESPN.

Working in the tournament is a privilege, not a right. Teddy seems to have forgotten that at the moment. He might have said to ESPN, "While I disagree with and am disappointed by my exclusion, I understand the context of JD's decision and I respect it." If he says that, he's probably right back in the Final Four next year. But he didn't say that. This is unfortunate both for Teddy and the game. But Teddy is not bigger than the game, and the game will go on, with or without him.

Rich Tue Mar 13, 2018 08:20am
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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1018829)
We don't know all of the facts. What we do appear to know is that Teddy Valentine talked to ESPN on Monday (who reached out to who is unclear).



I agree with Rich that if JD doesn't want to publicly comment (and I agree with his actions of not doing so), Teddy has every right to do so on his own. But there's a right way and a wrong way to talk to ESPN.



Working in the tournament is a privilege, not a right. Teddy seems to have forgotten that at the moment. He might have said to ESPN, "While I disagree with and am disappointed by my exclusion, I understand the context of JD's decision and I respect it." If he says that, he's probably right back in the Final Four next year. But he didn't say that. This is unfortunate both for Teddy and the game. But Teddy is not bigger than the game, and the game will go on, with or without him.


He's 59.

But those that say he's terrible, etc. are just delusional. 29 tournaments and 10 Final Fours. You don't get that by being terrible.


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AremRed Tue Mar 13, 2018 08:57am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018830)
29 tournaments and 10 Final Fours.
What was your source on this? I looked last night and found 7 as his number of Final Fours in an article.

Raymond Tue Mar 13, 2018 09:15am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018828)
I think my problem with the whole thing is that someone is lying in the Yahoo article.


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In another article I read, it appeared that JD's statement was not in regards to discussing the decision with TV, but that JD doesn't discuss selections with the press or general public.

Raymond Tue Mar 13, 2018 09:17am
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1018836)
What was your source on this? I looked last night and found 7 as his number of Final Fours in an article.
He may have been an alternate for 3 Finals Four.

JRutledge Tue Mar 13, 2018 09:25am
At the end of the day, this comes down to who you work for. NCAA officials work for the NCAA when it comes to the tournament. So if he did something that did not make them feel good, he can and will be punished. It is their tournament and can make whatever decisions they wish. TV worked tons of games on TV this year after that incident, so he was clearly the top guy on many lists.

I think he is a great official and this situation was the type that takes place when players get too big for their britches. I will just leave it at that fact.

Peace

SC Official Tue Mar 13, 2018 09:33am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1018840)
I think he is a great official and this situation was the type that takes place when players get too big for their britches. I will just leave it at that fact.
And he's one of the very few officials who could handle that situation the way he did and, for the most part, not miss a beat when it comes to his schedule. For most of us, if we handled a situation like that, our season and possibly career would be over.

Not saying that's right or wrong, just reality.

JRutledge Tue Mar 13, 2018 09:35am
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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1018841)
And he's one of the very few officials who could handle that situation the way he did and, for the most part, not miss a beat when it comes to his schedule. For most of us, if we handled a situation like that, our season and possibly career would be over.

Not saying that's right or wrong, just reality.
I think part of the issue was because it was TV and who made an issue of this was the problem. I really do not think that most of us would have had much of a problem in the long run when it was not on video or a national broadcast. This to me smells like PR more than anything. Which is the business we are often in at the end of the day in the first place.

Peace


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