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SNIPERBBB Tue Feb 27, 2018 07:55pm

2018 NFHS basketball survey
 
Anyone looked through this yet?

After the did you like the changes last year and what have you seen this year, the rules proposals seem to be:
(combined a few of these as they were redundant)

1 No free throws for common fouls prior to the 6th team foul of each quarter
2 Technical foul for slapping backboard even during a try
3 Quarters to halves
4 3-foot arc(aka restricted area)
5 Home uniforms to dark colors, visitors to white
6 Allow a coach to request a time-out near the end of the game to allow for bench personnel to enter the game and only for that purpose.
7 Shot clock by state adoption
8 Shot Clock nationally
9. More accessory color allowances
10 Allow tipped-ball signal for help on OOB calls
11 Single signal for TC and PC fouls
12 Beginning with 6th team foul each quarter, awarding 2 FT's for subsequent fouls
13. Reset team fouls to 0 each quarter if 1-1 is eleminated
14 Permitting headbands with knots or tails and increasing headband width
15 Coaches can only call TO's during deadball periods
16. Eleminating start of game/OT with jump ball
17 Allow coaches to request 30 second TO if only 60 second TO's remain available
18 Direct T to coach for players entering game with illegal equipment
19 Screener's must be not be out of bounds
20 Dunking during pregame is a conduct warning to head coach
21 Disallowing timeout countdowns showing on game clock instead of the game time
22 10 second backcourt count resumes if defense causes the ball to go out of bounds, resets for anything else
23 Warmup gear must be removed 3:00 before game time

Player989random Tue Feb 27, 2018 08:26pm

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1017922)

1 No free throws for common fouls prior to the 6th team foul of each quarter
What the? No. More free-throws are a horrible idea.
2 Technical foul for slapping backboard even during a try
Why not just goal tending?
3 Quarters to halves
Don't care.
4 3-foot arc(aka restricted area)
Sure. Would help me in the college game.
5 Home uniforms to dark colors, visitors to white
Don't care.
6 Allow a coach to request a time-out near the end of the game to allow for bench personnel to enter the game and only for that purpose.
What?
7 Shot clock by state adoption
8 Shot Clock nationally
I'm not sure a shot clock will help anything. I've seen it make bad teams even worse.
9. More accessory color allowances
Jesus no.
10 Allow tipped-ball signal for help on OOB calls
Seems redundant. And they won't buy it either way.
11 Single signal for TC and PC fouls
Sure.
12 Beginning with 6th team foul each quarter, awarding 2 FT's for subsequent fouls
No.
13. Reset team fouls to 0 each quarter if 1-1 is eleminated
As in changed via 12? Maybe.
14 Permitting headbands with knots or tails and increasing headband width
15 Coaches can only call TO's during deadball periods
YES
16. Eleminating start of game/OT with jump ball
Indifferent.
17 Allow coaches to request 30 second TO if only 60 second TO's remain available
Don't care
18 Direct T to coach for players entering game with illegal equipment
Will only rile up the coach
19 Screener's must be not be out of bounds
I didn't realize this wasn't illegal.
20 Dunking during pregame is a conduct warning to head coach
Why not just make it legal then?
21 Disallowing timeout countdowns showing on game clock instead of the game time
Don't care.
22 10 second backcourt count resumes if defense causes the ball to go out of bounds, resets for anything else
Hard to confirm unless we have a shot clock.
23 Warmup gear must be removed 3:00 before game time
Don't want to enforce any more fashion rules.

The only thing I would like is an RA and a shot clock, but purely for the selfish reason that I could use it to improve my college mechanics. An RA might be good for HS ball, but the shot clock only screws over the terrible teams. Or teams might adjust over time.

Can anyone dispute or confirm my suspicions?

bas2456 Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:22pm

1 No free throws for common fouls prior to the 6th team foul of each quarter--Sure...If it allows teams to adjust and we shoot fewer FT's
2 Technical foul for slapping backboard even during a try--No
3 Quarters to halves--No preference
4 3-foot arc(aka restricted area)--No
5 Home uniforms to dark colors, visitors to white--Leave that to NFL/NHL
6 Allow a coach to request a time-out near the end of the game to allow for bench personnel to enter the game and only for that purpose.--They do that anyway
7 Shot clock by state adoption--No
8 Shot Clock nationally--Yes
9. More accessory color allowances--No
10 Allow tipped-ball signal for help on OOB calls--Some do this anyway already
11 Single signal for TC and PC fouls--Yes
12 Beginning with 6th team foul each quarter, awarding 2 FT's for subsequent fouls--Yes
13. Reset team fouls to 0 each quarter if 1-1 is eleminated--Yes
14 Permitting headbands with knots or tails and increasing headband width--Yes
15 Coaches can only call TO's during deadball periods--Yes
16. Eleminating start of game/OT with jump ball--Coin toss in the captain's meeting? Nope...let's toss it up.
17 Allow coaches to request 30 second TO if only 60 second TO's remain available--No
18 Direct T to coach for players entering game with illegal equipment--Yes
19 Screener's must be not be out of bounds--Yes
20 Dunking during pregame is a conduct warning to head coach--Yes
21 Disallowing timeout countdowns showing on game clock instead of the game time--YES!!!
22 10 second backcourt count resumes if defense causes the ball to go out of bounds, resets for anything else--No
23 Warmup gear must be removed 3:00 before game time--No

BillyMac Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:54pm

Survey Says ...
 
https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ml#post1016821

BillyMac Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:56pm

Truth In Advertising ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 1017931)
16. Eliminating start of game/OT with jump ball--Coin toss in the captain's meeting? Nope...let's toss it up.

NFHS did not suggest starting the game with a coin toss:

21. Eliminating the jump ball at the beginning of the game. The visiting team would get first possession and the arrow would be set after legal inbounds.

I would love to hear those who want to keep the jump ball recite, by memory, no peeking at the rulebook, all the jump ball restrictions for jumpers, nonjumpers on the circle, and nonjumpers off the circle, before the toss, during the toss, and after the toss.

Note: This challenge does not apply to Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. I'm sure that the could recite all the jump ball restrictions, verbatim, all in one breath, blindfolded, with one hand tied behind his back, with no problem.

I've heard, many times, otherwise great officials, tell all ten players, "Don't move", right before the toss. And I'm sure that that's just the tip of the jump ball restriction myth iceberg.

Some, otherwise competent officials, just toss it up and hope that none of the players do anything obviously weird like a jumper illegally catching the ball, or one of the jumpers tapping the ball on the way up, or one of the jumpers tapping the ball more more than twice. Those are easy violations to catch. The subtleties of the many other jump ball restrictions are lost for some, otherwise good, officials.

bas2456 Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:50am

One of our local clinicians always tells us "All you're doing with the jump ball is setting the possession arrow". I tend to agree with that...I also think that learning the rules of the jump ball administration is not difficult, as it's just like any other rule.

I think taking the jump ball out of the game takes away some of the excitement at the beginning of the game, like the opening face off in hockey or the kickoff in football.

For most of the proposed rules changes, I can see the reasoning behind it. Not this one though...

BillyMac Wed Feb 28, 2018 01:00am

Peach Baskets ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 1017937)
... learning the rules of the jump ball administration is not difficult, as it's just like any other rule.

Very few rules are used once a game (sans overtime) for only a second, or two. Blink, and it's over in a flash.

Sure, back when there were possibly up to a dozen jump balls in each game (to start each quarter, and for all held ball situations) at three different circles, involving many different players, it was worth knowing all the intricate jump ball rules.

Then, inspired by God, someone came along and invented the possession arrow.

We've gone from dozens of jump balls per game, to one. Let's put the horse out of its misery.

The jump ball should join the peach baskets, and laced basketballs, in basketball heaven.

Raymond Wed Feb 28, 2018 08:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1017939)
Very few rules are used once a game (sans overtime) for only a second, or two. Blink, and it's over in a flash.

Sure, back when there were possibly up to a dozen jump balls in each game (to start each quarter, and for all held ball situations) at three different circles, involving many different players, it was worth knowing all the intricate jump ball rules.

Then, inspired by God, someone came along and invented the possession arrow.

We've gone from dozens of jump balls per game, to one. Let's put the horse out of its misery.

The jump ball should join the peach baskets, and laced basketballs, in basketball heaven.

I'm with BAS, I like the tradition and ceremony of how the game is started.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 28, 2018 08:44am

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 1017922)
Anyone looked through this yet?

Yes -- pretty sure there was a lengthy thread on this a couple of weeks ago.

Edit: found it: https://forum.officiating.com/basket...rvey-says.html


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