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italian_referee Sat Feb 17, 2018 05:09pm
Intentional & double technical - NFHS
 
Hi all,

I had the following situation during a game and I would like to understand what would be the right procedure under NFHS rule.

Player A1 commits an intentional personal foul on player B1, who is in the act of shooting and scores a two-point field goal. Then B1 and A1 start arguing and both receive a personal technical foul.

My questions are the following:
- A1 needs to be ejected from the game or not? I know that two technicals and two intentional fouls lead to ejection, but what about one technical and one intentional personal foul?
- The penalty for the intentional personal foul is 2 FTs + throw-in from the place nearest the game has stopped, whereas for both personal technical fouls the penalty is 2 FTs + throw-in from the division line. My question here is: what is the correct resumption-of-game procedure?

Thank you.

SNIPERBBB Sat Feb 17, 2018 06:02pm
INT personal fouls are the same in regards to the player's foul count as a regular personal. A player in theory could commit 5 INT personals before being disqualified.

In your scenario, B1 is awarded two FTs for the INT and because the technicals are a double T situation, you go to point of interruption, which would be a throw-in nearest the spot of the INT foul.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 17, 2018 06:06pm
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Originally Posted by italian_referee (Post 1017350)
Hi all,

I had the following situation during a game and I would like to understand what would be the right procedure under NFHS rule.

Player A1 commits an intentional personal foul on player B1, who is in the act of shooting and scores a two-point field goal. Then B1 and A1 start arguing and both receive a personal technical foul.

My questions are the following:
- A1 needs to be ejected from the game or not? I know that two technicals and two intentional fouls lead to ejection, but what about one technical and one intentional personal foul?
- The penalty for the intentional personal foul is 2 FTs + throw-in from the place nearest the game has stopped, whereas for both personal technical fouls the penalty is 2 FTs + throw-in from the division line. My question here is: what is the correct resumption-of-game procedure?

Thank you.
1) No such thing. All fouls are either Personal or Technical. They may also have a qualifier such as Intentional or Flagrant.

2) A player is not ejected for two intentional personal fouls in NFHS. A player is ejected for two technical fouls. So, A1 is not ejected.

So, in the play, the double Ts offset. Resume with B1 shooting two FTs for the INtentionl Personal and B getting the ball out of bounds neares the spot of the foul

LRZ Sat Feb 17, 2018 06:25pm
Under NFHS rules, the "Penalty, 1-c" section for Rule 10-6 states, "No free throws for double personal or technical fouls (point of interruption)."

Kelvin green Sat Feb 17, 2018 09:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by italian_referee (Post 1017350)
Hi all,

I had the following situation during a game and I would like to understand what would be the right procedure under NFHS rule.

Player A1 commits an intentional personal foul on player B1, who is in the act of shooting and scores a two-point field goal. Then B1 and A1 start arguing and both receive a personal technical foul.

My questions are the following:
- A1 needs to be ejected from the game or not? I know that two technicals and two intentional fouls lead to ejection, but what about one technical and one intentional personal foul?u
- The penalty for the intentional personal foul is 2 FTs + throw-in from the place nearest the game has stopped, whereas for both personal technical fouls the penalty is 2 FTs + throw-in from the division line. My question here is: what is the correct resumption-of-game procedure?

Thank you.
This may sound mean but where on earth did you get the idea that two intentional fouls lead to an ejection? Maybe a rule book would help here.

The penalty for intentional foul is always two shot and the ball nearest to the foul.

Remember that if you have simultaneous ( double) technical fouls you don’t shoot the fouls and go to point if interruption which would be shooting the 2 for the intentional ( no one lined up) and ball OOB.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 17, 2018 09:12pm
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Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 1017358)
The penalty for intentional foul is always two shot and the ball nearest to the foul.

Except ... ;)

And, I do note that the OP seems to be from Italy, so maybe the FIA rules are different.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Feb 17, 2018 09:57pm
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Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 1017358)
This may sound mean but where on earth did you get the idea that two intentional fouls lead to an ejection? Maybe a rule book would help here.

The penalty for intentional foul is always two shot and the ball nearest to the foul.

Remember that if you have simultaneous ( double) technical fouls you don’t shoot the fouls and go to point if interruption which would be shooting the 2 for the intentional ( no one lined up) and ball OOB.

Kelvin:

Italian Referee is a FIBA Official who has recently relocated from Italy to Philadelphia, and as a former USA Basketball Referee, and from personal experience that FIBA Rules can be different in certain situations from NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's, and NBA/WNBA Rules.

MTD, Sr.

zakman2005000 Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:25pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 1017358)
This may sound mean but where on earth did you get the idea that two intentional fouls lead to an ejection? Maybe a rule book would help here.

The penalty for intentional foul is always two shot and the ball nearest to the foul.

Remember that if you have simultaneous ( double) technical fouls you don’t shoot the fouls and go to point if interruption which would be shooting the 2 for the intentional ( no one lined up) and ball OOB.
This may sound mean but where on earth did you get the idea that the penalty for an intentional foul is always two shots and the ball nearest to the foul. Maybe you should look in a rule book before giving advice here.

You should take care of your own house before throwing stones at someone else's.

Kelvin green Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:23am
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Originally Posted by zakman2005000 (Post 1017367)
This may sound mean but where on earth did you get the idea that the penalty for an intentional foul is always two shots and the ball nearest to the foul. Maybe you should look in a rule book before giving advice here.

You should take care of your own house before throwing stones at someone else's.
Really? under NFHS tell me where that is not true? Rule 10 penalty summary #4 has no exceptions.... what a double intentional foul? Or a multiple intentional foul?

Kelvin green Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:23am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1017364)
Kelvin:

Italian Referee is a FIBA Official who has recently relocated from Italy to Philadelphia, and as a former USA Basketball Referee, and from personal experience that FIBA Rules can be different in certain situations from NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's, and NBA/WNBA Rules.

MTD, Sr.
Ok makes sense

Nevadaref Sun Feb 18, 2018 02:15am
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Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 1017369)
Really? under NFHS tell me where that is not true? Rule 10 penalty summary #4 has no exceptions.... what a double intentional foul? Or a multiple intentional foul?
Intentional personal foul when the shooter misses a 3pt try = three shots and a throw-in.

Kelvin green Sun Feb 18, 2018 09:12am
Thanks... forgot about that one.i stand corrected.

italian_referee Sun Feb 18, 2018 02:48pm
Thank you all for your replies guys!

And you're right, in the rulebook there is no mention of ejection as a consequence of two intentional fouls, I was just mentally associating an intentional foul under NFHS rules with an unsportsmanlike foul in FIBA rules -- and two unsportsmanlike fouls do lead to an ejection -- but I need to be more careful apparently :)

Thank you all again!

chapmaja Sun Feb 18, 2018 08:31pm
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Originally Posted by italian_referee (Post 1017400)
Thank you all for your replies guys!

And you're right, in the rulebook there is no mention of ejection as a consequence of two intentional fouls, I was just mentally associating an intentional foul under NFHS rules with an unsportsmanlike foul in FIBA rules -- and two unsportsmanlike fouls do lead to an ejection -- but I need to be more careful apparently :)

Thank you all again!
I know some wRECk leagues do have a two intentional ejection rule even if they use NFHS rules otherwise.

The league I work has this in part as a way to curb way to physical play that was happening.

crosscountry55 Wed Feb 21, 2018 02:03pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 1017369)
Really? under NFHS tell me where that is not true? Rule 10 penalty summary #4 has no exceptions.... what a double intentional foul? Or a multiple intentional foul?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1017375)
Intentional personal foul when the shooter misses a 3pt try = three shots and a throw-in.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 1017377)
Thanks... forgot about that one.i stand corrected.
I'm too late to comment with any semblance of usefulness. However, I should note that I got a huge chuckle reading about how Nevada put Kelvin in timeout.


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