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packersowner Wed Feb 14, 2018 04:31pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1017088)
Those videos show officials walking in the backcourt with the ball heading to the front court.

Frankly, some of these videos are not good examples of officials working hard or giving a crap.
My thoughts exactly.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 14, 2018 06:08pm
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Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 1017111)
NFHS 1-20
Non-playing personnel, e.g., spirit participants, media, shall remain outside of the playing area during a 30-second or less time-out during the game. Non-playing personnel shall stand outside the free throw lane lines extended toward the sidelines throughout the game.

The reason I asked is that it seemed like several times players were more concerned with creating their YouTube moments on camera after dunks, layups, etc. Questioned whether this led to some of the issues.
Thank you. I didn’t remember that. We have a similar rule but I thought it was a state rule and applied only or at l at least mostly to the spirit squad

packersowner Wed Feb 14, 2018 09:34pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1017121)
Thank you. I didn’t remember that. We have a similar rule but I thought it was a state rule and applied only or at l at least mostly to the spirit squad
Im a big fan of having 20 cheerleaders on each end of the court, makes the Lead position so much easier to work. :D

Amesman Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:30am
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Originally Posted by packersowner (Post 1017127)
Im a big fan of having 20 cheerleaders on each end of the court, makes the Lead position so much easier to work. :D
And to make sure the players hear them, they have to be as close to the end line as possible at all times.

Rich Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1017100)
In our case, the transition was largely done by conferences. There were still plenty of big games in the 2-person conferences.

One of our conferences that went 3 person the first year went back to 2 the 2nd year because they saw too many sub par officials added to their games. They felt they had better quality with 2 than 3. The observed improvement from the system wasn't enough to overcome the addition of an official that may have never been on their games in the past. That was because we threw too many people into 3-person at once. The new official wasn't ready or accustomed to that level of ball and had no 3-person background at all. With limited experience form the other 2, that made for a situation where 3-person didn't look that good on a lot of nights.
Here officials choose which conferences to work for -- and the conferences choose which ones they will have.

I know, for a fact, I've worked my last 2-person varsity contest. Mainly because I won't work for the few conferences that still use 2. If everyone went back to two, I'd retire.

blindzebra Thu Feb 15, 2018 08:46pm
The big concerns are cost for the school administration, and more fouls from the coaches. AZ has been fighting those for decades, and a big hurdle was that the powers at AIA were old school. The new head of officiating was an official up until last year, so there may finally be enough pressure to finally join the 21st century.

BillyMac Fri Feb 16, 2018 07:04am
Coaches ...
 
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Originally Posted by blindzebra (Post 1017196)
The big concerns ... and more fouls from the coaches.
Same problem here in Connecticut. Coaches. Money issues are a concern, but are secondary.

Rich Fri Feb 16, 2018 08:55am
Amazing how people just ignore the study that was done that shows that fouls DO NOT INCREASE when going from 2-person to 3- person.

What does change is the amount of "guessing" required, from some to virtually none.

sdoebler Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1017217)
Amazing how people just ignore the study that was done that shows that fouls DO NOT INCREASE when going from 2-person to 3- person.

What does change is the amount of "guessing" required, from some to virtually none.
Article or study link?

so cal lurker Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1017217)
Amazing how people just ignore the study that was done that shows that fouls DO NOT INCREASE when going from 2-person to 3- person.

What does change is the amount of "guessing" required, from some to virtually none.
Interesting. But it makes sense--with good/experienced referees. From the comfort of the stands, I've had games with three officials who did not appear experienced or strong where calls seem to come out of nowhere--almost as if the particular ref felt "left out" and had to find something. But overall, as a spectator, I haven't noticed more fouls in three man. Alas, I don't know that is an apples to apples comparison, as the three man I see is almost entirely league games, and those games seem to have good refs.

blindzebra Sat Feb 17, 2018 07:24pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1017217)
Amazing how people just ignore the study that was done that shows that fouls DO NOT INCREASE when going from 2-person to 3- person.

What does change is the amount of "guessing" required, from some to virtually none.
You also get those little chippy fouls inside on screens that become hard fouls later in the game in retaliation. The stuff missed in 2 person that causes games to get rough get nipped in the bud early so fouls, if anything, go down because they know we are watching.


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