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rotationslim Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:17pm

Throw-in question
 
A1 has ball out of bounds in the back-court. Throws in to A2, who is the the front court-- but it is a bounce pass, and the bounce was in the back-court. Is that over-and-back?

MechanicGuy Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:21pm

Um, no. Why would it be?

bob jenkins Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by rotationslim (Post 1015993)
A1 has ball out of bounds in the back-court. Throws in to A2, who is the the front court-- but it is a bounce pass, and the bounce was in the back-court. Is that over-and-back?

I think you mean "adjacent to the back-court." That might help answer the question (or the similar question where the ball bounces in the FC and is recovered in the BC)

RedAndWhiteRef Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:21am

During a throw-in, the ball does not have backcourt or frontcourt "status" until it is possessed in bounds. Since possession is first gained by A2 in the frontcourt, no it would not be.

Camron Rust Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:38am

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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 1016034)
During a throw-in, the ball does not have backcourt or frontcourt "status" until it is possessed in bounds. Since possession is first gained by A2 in the frontcourt, no it would not be.

I wouldn't say that. It has frontcourt/backcourt status as soon as it touches the floor or a player inbounds. However, it usually doesn't matter until after it is in player control.

bucky Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:44am

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Originally Posted by RedAndWhiteRef (Post 1016034)
During a throw-in, the ball does not have backcourt or frontcourt "status" until it is possessed in bounds. Since possession is first gained by A2 in the frontcourt, no it would not be.

Someone can perhaps find definition of "status" but I think location of the ball is defined as where it is (roughly speaking). So ball touches BC therefore the ball's location is BC. Then it goes to A2 and then ball's location is FC. Sound right?

Does status = location?

Don't believe that possession is part of definition of location. No book handy though.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 01, 2018 08:46am

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1016039)
Someone can perhaps find definition of "status" but I think location of the ball is defined as where it is (roughly speaking). So ball touches BC therefore the ball's location is BC. Then it goes to A2 and then ball's location is FC. Sound right?

Does status = location?

Don't believe that possession is part of definition of location. No book handy though.

The rule book uses "location" not "status" and a balls location is defined based on what the ball is touching (player or court) or last touched. None of which matters to the OP.

bucky Thu Feb 01, 2018 09:56am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1016047)
The rule book uses "location" not "status" and a balls location is defined based on what the ball is touching (player or court) or last touched. None of which matters to the OP.

Yes, although the case book has references to the word "status." Case 9.9.1 sit D comes to mind and it happens to involve a BC ruling.

Is it safe to say that "location" and "status" are synonymous as far as NFHS rules/cases? Can anyone provide evidence that would suggest otherwise?

Valley Man Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:17am

So let's change the play in the OP

A1 throwin near the division line. A1 throws a bounce pass to A2. The ball bounces in what will be A1's FC then comes up to A2 standing in A's BC.

frezer11 Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:24am

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Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1016060)
So let's change the play in the OP

A1 throwin near the division line. A1 throws a bounce pass to A2. The ball bounces in what will be A1's FC then comes up to A2 standing in A's BC.

Still Ok. Must have team and player control established in the front court before a BC violation can occur.

Raymond Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:31am

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Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1016060)
So let's change the play in the OP

A1 throwin near the division line. A1 throws a bounce pass to A2. The ball bounces in what will be A1's FC then comes up to A2 standing in A's BC.

What's the difference between that play and the play were A3 in the FC deflects the ball into the BC and A2 retrieves it?

Raymond Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:32am

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1016064)
Still Ok. Must have team and player control established in the front court before a BC violation can occur.

Incorrect. There must be PC established anywhere on the court AND at some point TC in the FC.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:48am

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1016072)
What's the difference between that play and the play were A3 in the FC deflects the ball into the BC and A2 retrieves it?

No difference, if they are both during throw-ins.

Camron Rust Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valley Man (Post 1016060)
So let's change the play in the OP

A1 throwin near the division line. A1 throws a bounce pass to A2. The ball bounces in what will be A1's FC then comes up to A2 standing in A's BC.

Not what "will be". It IS A's FC. It is always A's FC whether A has the ball or not. It is just that it doesn't mean much until A has control of the ball.


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