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how many free throws
Under NFHS rules
1) after offensive player A1 has released their shot, defender B2 (away from the shooter) is called for excessive pushing while boxing out. How many free throws are awarded? does it matter if A1's shot attempt is good or not? does it matter if this is team B's 4th foul? 7th foul? 10th foul? 2) what if on the same play defender B1 fouls the shooter - so two fouls on the play? Does team A get free throws for both fouls? |
Once the shot is clearly released, there is no more player control or team control (ie no offensive players). Fouls are penalized like any other common foul (ball out of bounds or free throws depending on the total team foul count for the half).
Whether the shot attempt by A1 goes in (it would count) or not has no bearing on the number of free throws. As far as calling two separate fouls on the same team..... once one foul is called, then you have a dead ball situation, so the second foul would have to be intentional or flagrant to be considered. Usually one foul would suffice in this type of situation. |
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Had this situation last night. A1 shoots, while the ball is in flight, B2 holds (wraps A2 with both arms). A awarded 3 points for successful 3-point try and throw-in nearest spot to the foul. Had A been in bonus, A2 would have shot bonus free throws.
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Under rule 6.7 (live ball and dead ball) EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when: a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight. and ART. 7 says: The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when: A foul, other than player-control or team-control, occurs (see exceptions a, b and c below). |
I believe in the NBA a defensive foul against a player other than the shooter has a one shot penalty if the shot is successful. So those who learn the rules from TV may create confusion here.
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Anybody want to help Pete and me on this one? |
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The try could end before the shooter returns to the floor (one example I can think of would be a shot that is immediately blocked and certain to be unsuccessful). |
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There is a difference between the act of shooting ends and when the try ends.
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EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight. We know if a foul occurs while a try is in flight, the ball becomes dead when the try ends - successful/unsuccessful. (no airborne shooter involved) What I believe the rule above is saying (plus 6.7.4) is: if an airborne shooter is involved, regardless of the outcome of the try, if the shooter is still airborne, the ball does not become dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor. Otherwise, if the ball were dead based on the result of the try, subsequent contact by or against the still airborne shooter would have to be ignored unless ruled intentional or flagrant. |
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I wouldn't say "incorrect", since he provided a direct quote from the Rule Book. It's just another inconsistency in the rules. One could also say that Rule 4-19-1 is "Incorrect" due to the language quoted above from Rule 6-7 Exception a. The NFHS could (and should) rewrite one of those rules to agree with the other. And no, I won't hold my breath!
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Agree. Also, the ruling in the case book (6.7.4) supports the exception in the rule book: “A1’s player control foul causes the ball to become dead immediately . . . Even if the ball had gone through the basket before the foul.” |
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Quote: ART. 1 . . . A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead. NOTE: Contact after the ball has become dead is incidental unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter. Camron, I believe this rule is valid and applies in the situation where a defender commits basket interference first (and I suppose goal tending as well) after which there is contact by or on an airborne shooter. The violation causes the ball to become dead but; there can still be a personal foul by or on the shooter. So 4.19.6 Situation A would be the supporting case play. I think this would solve the contradiction between this rule and 6-7 Exception. Your thoughts? |
The second play is a false multiple foul and each carries it's own penalty.
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