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Randa16 Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:57pm

Wichita Ref gets shoved by cop
 
Wichita police captain charged with battery in game incident | The Wichita Eagle

Hawkeyes Sun Jan 28, 2018 08:53am

Terrible!
I commend the young lady for her conviction and guts, but following that guy to tell him to leave is definitely breaking into jail.
Looks like a rec-mess!

FormerUmp Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:26pm

Curious to see how this plays out. Being off-duty is no excuse. Especially given the victim is a minor.

Randa16 Sun Jan 28, 2018 01:20pm

Here is my thing with it. Should a parent come on the court? no but if the kid is hurt I have no problem with it. I have had it happen before and I walked away and allowed the parent and coach tend to the player with no T. She had no reason to be there and blowing the whistle in his face was ridiculous and should have never happened. While I don't think he should have pushed her I don't understand why she then decided to keep going at him after that. It was a bad situation that could have been avoided if she would have just done her job right

Stat-Man Sun Jan 28, 2018 02:06pm

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Originally Posted by Randa16 (Post 1015764)
It was a bad situation that could have been avoided if she would have just done her job right(.)

I get what you're saying, but given she is a minor, I wonder how much training she received, especially in terms of injured players and ejection protocols. Sure, experienced officials know to move away from the scene of an injury when a coach or trainer comes onto the court, and they know that one doesn't have to be right in front of an individual being ejected. However, I wonder how much instruction she received regarding these items.

BillyMac Sun Jan 28, 2018 02:17pm

Training, We Don't Need No Stink'in Training ...
 
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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 1015766)
I wonder how much instruction she received regarding these items.

Back when my daughter played high school basketball, the players were recruited to be recreation league referees on weekends. Nice way to earn few bucks on the weekend. She received absolutely no training. The league just figured that high school varsity basketball players knew all the rules and mechanics because of the many years that they played.

scrounge Sun Jan 28, 2018 02:34pm

I gotta admit, I'm kinda shocked that anything was filed in this case

justacoach Sun Jan 28, 2018 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1015770)
I gotta admit, I'm kinda shocked that anything was filed in this case

Credit the cell phone video which memorialized this inconsequential kerfuffle.

crosscountry55 Sun Jan 28, 2018 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by scrounge (Post 1015770)
I gotta admit, I'm kinda shocked that anything was filed in this case

Yeah, there wasn't that much there, but on the other hand, he's a police captain with no excuse for what he did, and he assaulted a game official, so by charging him I think you send a message that absolutely needs to be sent. I think a misdemeanor charge is highly appropriate here. If the DA drops the charges in exchange for being suspended from coaching and a reprimand from his law enforcement agency, I think that would be a wholly appropriate outcome.

The official is not without blame. There was inexperience involved, for sure. I hope she acknowledges that she could have handled it differently, and more importantly I hope she learns from this and continues to officiate.

ODog Sun Jan 28, 2018 09:05pm

I agree with everyone who says there's a not a lot there, and that it was obviously very poorly handled by the official. And if she hadn't decided to blow the whistle directly in his face (she's a child, after all), the assault never happens.

But perhaps this guy was being "that guy" from the stands all game long (we all know the type in these hot-mess rec leagues) and when he was suddenly all the way onto the court, just feet from the officials he had perhaps been riding like a lunatic all night, she finally lost it and went lunatic too.

Doesn't justify it. Just a theory ...

And his kid did not look hurt enough to warrant a parent trip to the court. He could've just met him at the bench.

SCalScoreKeeper Mon Jan 29, 2018 01:27am

The kid definitely did not need to walk towards the parent in this situation. She needed to identify who her site administrator was and let them deal with removing the officer. I too hope the kid sticks with our craft and learns from this.

Reffing Rev. Mon Jan 29, 2018 09:17am

I wonder how he would handle being shoved while in uniform?

#olderthanilook Mon Jan 29, 2018 09:21am

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Originally Posted by reffing rev. (Post 1015813)
i wonder how he would handle being shoved while in uniform?

this!

so cal lurker Mon Jan 29, 2018 09:37am

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Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 1015777)
Credit the cell phone video which memorialized this inconsequential kerfuffle.

A adult making contact with a youth official is not an inconsequential kerfuffle.

Raymond Mon Jan 29, 2018 09:45am

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Originally Posted by Reffing Rev. (Post 1015813)
I wonder how he would handle being shoved while in uniform?

The assault charge (plus other charges) would have been immediate, not weeks later after an investigation.


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