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JRutledge Sun Jan 07, 2018 09:25pm

Arkansas @ Auburn plays (Video)
 
Play #1:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/h7oWUAZcCH4" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #2:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6aOxoo1-goE" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A few more plays to come from this game.

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:49pm

Both plays...LGP obtained, in time. Charge.

sdoebler Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:56pm

I what makes play one difficult is that the defenders arms are not straight up and has them over the offensive play at almost a 45º angle. I think I would go block or no call after it went in.

Easy charge.

JRutledge Mon Jan 08, 2018 01:08am

Play #3:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/eC_gm5U1sbg" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #4:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/kSExIpHPcc0" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #5:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wf828tLHBzo" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Camron Rust Mon Jan 08, 2018 04:58am

3. Great call. He clear went out on his own using two screens in the process to shake the defender.

4. He does travel after finally securing the ball. I be curious to see that play from the other side. I think the C's view got obscured just as the defender stuck his hand in there. I'd be curious to see if there was a missed foul on the left arm causing him to lose the ball.

5. Foul on white for not being a legal necklace....long before red grabbed his leg.

(Edit: renumbered comments to match videos)

bob jenkins Mon Jan 08, 2018 08:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1014326)
1. Great call. He clear went out on his own using two screens in the process to shake the defender.

2. He does travel after finally securing the ball. I be curious to see that play from the other side. I think the C's view got obscured just as the defender stuck his hand in there. I'd be curious to see if there was a missed foul on the left arm causing him to lose the ball.

3. Foul on white for not being a legal necklace....long before red grabbed his leg.

Agreed -- well, except maybe for the "legal necklace" part.

Raymond Mon Jan 08, 2018 08:56am

Video #1: I can see why the Lead called a Block

Video #4: travels after re-establishing possession

Video #5: foul on White first

rockyroad Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:15pm

Play 3: player going oob of his own volition...is that the correct signal? The delayed violation fist?

Camron Rust Mon Jan 08, 2018 01:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 1014356)
Play 3: player going oob of his own volition...is that the correct signal? The delayed violation fist?

I was wondering about that too. I don't think I've seen anything that suggest indicating a delayed violation for that situation.

Raymond Mon Jan 08, 2018 03:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1014366)
I was wondering about that too. I don't think I've seen anything that suggest indicating a delayed violation for that situation.

Yep, it is the correct signal.

sdoebler Mon Jan 08, 2018 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1014366)
I was wondering about that too. I don't think I've seen anything that suggest indicating a delayed violation for that situation.

Scirotto blows his whistle for an unusual call - Chicago Tribune

here's another example of that call and mechanic

jeremy341a Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:22am

#1 and #2 are easy Charge calls IMO.

ballgame99 Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1014322)
I what makes play one difficult is that the defenders arms are not straight up and has them over the offensive play at almost a 45º angle. I think I would go block or no call after it went in.

The problem I have with this is his arms not being vertical didn't really have anything to do with this call. There was no/minimal contact with his illegal arms, but the offensive player definitely drives his shoulder into the chest of an otherwise legal defender. I think you go PC on this and not think twice.

Play 2 is a good PC.

crosscountry55 Wed Jan 10, 2018 01:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1014379)
Yep, it is the correct signal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1014389)
Scirotto blows his whistle for an unusual call - Chicago Tribune

here's another example of that call and mechanic

Just to clarify, this is an NCAA thing and not an NFHS thing, correct?

In NFHS, while I do tend to have a patient whistle to see if going marginally OOB for an unauthorized reason results in a distinct advantage, by rule and by manual I think it's supposed to be an immediate violation. I don't believes there's support in NFHS for waiting as long as we're seeing in these videos. Thoughts?

bob jenkins Wed Jan 10, 2018 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1014493)
Just to clarify, this is an NCAA thing and not an NFHS thing, correct?

In NFHS, while I do tend to have a patient whistle to see if going marginally OOB for an unauthorized reason results in a distinct advantage, by rule and by manual I think it's supposed to be an immediate violation. I don't believes there's support in NFHS for waiting as long as we're seeing in these videos. Thoughts?

NFHS: Immediate violation.

NCAAW: Violation if the first (meaning "next") to touch the ball after returning. No signal as we saw in the NCAAM video.

HokiePaul Wed Jan 10, 2018 01:47pm

I wonder what the C was thinking/doing on play 5 -- Lead had to come all the way across the lane to get that obvious foul, while the C just casually stands there as if he sees the whole play but somehow rules that legal.

Anyway, that's what I'd want to know from my partner if I was the L on this play. Am I missing something here with college areas of coverage or something?

VaTerp Thu Jan 11, 2018 09:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1014322)
I what makes play one difficult is that the defenders arms are not straight up and has them over the offensive play at almost a 45º angle. I think I would go block or no call after it went in.

What does the verticality of his arms have to do whether its a block/charge?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 1014498)
I wonder what the C was thinking/doing on play 5 -- Lead had to come all the way across the lane to get that obvious foul, while the C just casually stands there as if he sees the whole play but somehow rules that legal.

Anyway, that's what I'd want to know from my partner if I was the L on this play. Am I missing something here with college areas of coverage or something?

In real time it may have been difficult to see white's illegal contact since he seemed to also get to the ball so quickly.

The L had the only look at the foul that was ultimately called, at least what I think was called, for red grabbing the leg.

sdoebler Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 1014514)
What does the verticality of his arms have to do whether its a block/charge?

If the defender has his arms directly over the offensive player and the player jumps up this is illegal contact that occurs before the torso contact for a block/charge.

HokiePaul Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 1014514)

The L had the only look at the foul that was ultimately called, at least what I think was called, for red grabbing the leg.

I guess I thought the call was on White for the bear-hug around the neck. I thought that was an easy call for the C to get. You may be right about the leg grab at the end.

justacoach Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1014389)
Scirotto blows his whistle for an unusual call - Chicago Tribune

here's another example of that call and mechanic

What a useless spam-laden website. Furthermore, the link is broken.

sdoebler Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by justacoach (Post 1014525)
What a useless spam-laden website. Furthermore, the link is broken.

Link works just fine for me also no spam


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