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just another ref Sat Jan 06, 2018 03:19am

Intentional fouls, end of game
 
Is this another thing that "the rule is what it is, but you just don't call that" now, or at least more than it was a few years ago? Around here I see more and more blatant grabs around the waist from behind with nothing that resembles a play on the ball called a common foul.

Raymond Sat Jan 06, 2018 08:36am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 1014247)
Is this another thing that "the rule is what it is, but you just don't call that" now, or at least more than it was a few years ago? Around here I see more and more blatant grabs around the waist from behind with nothing that resembles a play on the ball called a common foul.

Sounds like something you need to bring up with your local rules interpreters.

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bob jenkins Sat Jan 06, 2018 08:39am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 1014247)
Is this another thing that "the rule is what it is, but you just don't call that" now, or at least more than it was a few years ago? Around here I see more and more blatant grabs around the waist from behind with nothing that resembles a play on the ball called a common foul.

I'd say the reverse -- since it became emphasized at NCAA and FED, these incidents have lessened.

BillyMac Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:19am

Intentional Fouls ...
 
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 1014247)
Is this another thing that "the rule is what it is, but you just don't call that" now, or at least more than it was a few years ago?.

The only change that I can think of is that many years ago the NFHS recognized that coaches used a time management strategy and were allowed to tell their players to foul their opponent. Previous to that change, if a coach instructed their players to foul their opponents, it was always considered to be an intentional foul. Now, the NFHS allows such strategy, and such fouls are no longer "automatic" intentionals but must still meet the requirements of being intentional (no play on the ball, defense grabs the jersey, pushes from behind, or bear hugs the offensive player).

CJP Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:24am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1014263)
The only change that I can think of is that many years ago the NFHS recognized that coaches used a time management strategy and were allowed to tell their players to foul their opponent. Previous to that change, if a coach instructed their players to foul their opponents, it was always considered to be an intentional foul. Now, the NFHS allows such strategy, and such fouls are no longer "automatic" intentionals but must still meet the requirements of being intentional (no play on the ball, defense grabs the jersey, pushes from behind, or bear hugs the offensive player).

I never understood this. When I previously coached, my instructions were to go for a steal aggressively. If the kids gets called for a foul, then so be it; the clock stops.

BillyMac Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:01am

Steal The Ball ...
 
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Originally Posted by CJP (Post 1014264)
I never understood this.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, back in my middle school basketball coaching days, friends who were officials instructed me to use a code word rather than yell, "Foul". Our code word was, "Steal the ball". When I yelled that my players knew to foul, while still going for the ball, in order to stop the clock.


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