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sdoebler Wed Dec 06, 2017 02:57pm

High School Basketbal Fees per State
 
Hello,

I am trying to gather a comprehensive sheet of high school state basketball fees. Here is what I have gathered so far. V3 = Varsity 3 Person, V2 = Varsity 2 Person, SV2 = Sub-Varisy 2 Person SV3 = Sub-Varsity 3 Person. Please PM me or post any information that you have that is missing or incorrect,


2017-2018 V3 V2 SV3 SV2
State
Alabama $55.00 - $40.00 $45.00
Alaska - - - -
Arizona - $68.00 - $58.00
Arkansas - - - -
California $47.00 $71.00 - $51.00
Colorado $50.00 $58.00 $38.50 $44.00
Connecticut - $95.00 - $61.00
Delaware $73.00 $73.00 $63.00 $63.00
Florida $50.00 $55.00 - $45.00
Georgia $56.00 $67.00 - $46.00
Hawaii - - - -
Idaho - - - -
Illinois - - - -
Indiana - - - -
Iowa $65.00 - - -
Kansas - - - -
Kentucky $45.00 $55.00 - -
Louisiana $50.00 $60.00 - -
Maine - - - -
Maryland - - - -
Massachusetts - $82.00 - $60.00
Michigan - $63.00 - -
Minnesota - - - -
Mississippi $55.00 $60.00 - $40.00
Missouri - - - -
Montana $60.00 $60.00 $30.50 $36.00
Nebraska - - - -
Nevada $65.25 $53.25 $41.50 $47.00
New Hampshire - - - -
New Jersey - - - -
New Mexico - $54.00 - $38.00
New York - $91.00 - $68.50
North Carolina $66.00 - $56.00 $61.00
North Dakota - $71.50 - $40.50
Ohio - $80.00 - -
Oklahoma $50.00 $50.00 $35.00 $35.00
Oregon $56.00 $66.00 $42.00 $49.50
Pennsylvania - $68.00 - $58.00
Rhode Island - - - -
South Carolina $55.00 - $37.00 -
South Dakota - - - -
Tennessee $65.00 $75.00 $65.00 $75.00
Texas $70.00 $70.00 $50.00 $50.00
Utah - $59.00 - $44.00
Vermont - - - -
Virginia - - - -
Washington - $60.25 - $45.00
West Virginia - - - -
Wisconsin - - - -
Wyoming $55.00 $55.00 - -


Some States don't do two man some don't do three man so that information is helpful also. Thanks for any assistance

Camron Rust Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:15pm

Your table is going to get a lot more complicated.

Some, Oregon included, pay different rates depending on the Classification.

And to be a fair comparison, you have to include travel. Some states pay travel, some don't but pay a somewhat higher game fee. Some states pay one rate for a single game or the first game in a double header and a lessor amount for the second game.

SC Official Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:22pm

South Carolina is still paying travel. All varsity games are 3-man.

One game (rare): $55
Two games: $78

$0.45 per mile with a minimum travel fee of $9. So if you work two varsity games the minimum you would gross is $87.

bob jenkins Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1012426)
Your table is going to get a lot more complicated.

Some, Oregon included, pay different rates depending on the Classification.

And to be a fair comparison, you have to include travel. Some states pay travel, some don't but pay a somewhat higher game fee. Some states pay one rate for a single game or the first game in a double header and a lessor amount for the second game.

Some include a fee that the referee then pays back to the assigner; some pay the officials a fee and have the school send a separate fee to an assigner. Etc.

sdoebler Wed Dec 06, 2017 03:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1012426)
Your table is going to get a lot more complicated.

Some, Oregon included, pay different rates depending on the Classification.

And to be a fair comparison, you have to include travel. Some states pay travel, some don't but pay a somewhat higher game fee. Some states pay one rate for a single game or the first game in a double header and a lessor amount for the second game.

Thanks, I know that there are a plethora of anomalies but am mostly looking for fees for 2-man or 3-man Varsity contests at the highest classification. I have a separate column I am tracking for mileage but obviously gets confusing between how much per mile, vs flat fee, vs mileage after a certain amount of miles, vs a Per Diem. Totally understand your point.

Most states there is a set fee assigned by the state association for contests at each level. States like Iowa it is done per district and there are even a few states that the schools negotiate with each ref (contractor) individually. Obviously mileage/travel is a moving target, but I tried to capture the most information with not too much clutter (3-man lower level is rare and can probably be ignored).

Raymond Wed Dec 06, 2017 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1012437)
...

Most states there is a set fee assigned by the state association for contests at each level...

In Virginia fees are negotiated by association commissioners. These contracts can either be with individual schools (usually private schools) or entire conferences.

sdoebler Wed Dec 06, 2017 04:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1012443)
In Virginia fees are negotiated by association commissioners. These contracts can either be with individual schools (usually private schools) or entire conferences.

Is there a range or average from what you have seen?

Raymond Wed Dec 06, 2017 04:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1012445)
Is there a range or average from what you have seen?

It's actually been as high as $75 for a Varsity game in my local area and came down to accommodate 3-man for Girls games. I'm on 2 boards and the range is about $60-65 per Varsity game. I'm thinking those rates would be much hire in Northern VA near and within the Beltway.

Camron Rust Wed Dec 06, 2017 04:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1012437)
Thanks, I know that there are a plethora of anomalies but am mostly looking for fees for 2-man or 3-man Varsity contests at the highest classification. I have a separate column I am tracking for mileage but obviously gets confusing between how much per mile, vs flat fee, vs mileage after a certain amount of miles, vs a Per Diem. Totally understand your point.

Most states there is a set fee assigned by the state association for contests at each level. States like Iowa it is done per district and there are even a few states that the schools negotiate with each ref (contractor) individually. Obviously mileage/travel is a moving target, but I tried to capture the most information with not too much clutter (3-man lower level is rare and can probably be ignored).

Ultimately, what matters is how much the official actually receives for doing the game, regardless of all of the methods of determining that amount. Seeing a $20 difference between states doesn't mean much if the lower state pays $20 in travel while the higher state doesn't pay travel. Compiling a list of the only one term in the equation is like predicting who will win a basketball game by calculating how tall the starters are.

sdoebler Wed Dec 06, 2017 04:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1012451)
Ultimately, what matters is how much the official actually receives for doing the game, regardless of all of the methods of determining that amount. Seeing a $20 difference between states doesn't mean much if the lower state pays $20 in travel while the higher state doesn't pay travel. Compiling a list of the only one term in the equation is like predicting who will win a basketball game by calculating how tall the starters are.

Correct which is why I stated that I was also collecting travel/mileage.

Player989random Wed Dec 06, 2017 05:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1012446)
It's actually been as high as $75 for a Varsity game in my local area and came down to accommodate 3-man for Girls games. I'm on 2 boards and the range is about $60-65 per Varsity game. I'm thinking those rates would be much hire in Northern VA near and within the Beltway.

I've worked in the Southwest part of the state and Northern VA.

Around Roanoke (2015):
Varsity 3-man: $87
JV 2-Man: $65
MS 3-Man: $65

NoVA (Current):
Varsity 3-man: $91 is the highest for private schools, $72-$85 for public
Varsity 2-man: $75
JV 2-man: $65 average

Note that there is another association in Nothern VA, so their rates may differ. I'd say the average is somewhere around $75.

LRZ Wed Dec 06, 2017 06:00pm

I can't speak for PA--it's a big state!--but in the two SE PA (in the suburbs outside of Philadelphia) leagues I work, I get $60 and $66 for 2-ref jv games, so your PA figures are low. Although I am not certain, but I think that varsity refs, working 3-ref, get $72 and $75. No mileage.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 06, 2017 06:36pm

CA is by Section, of which there are 13. The largest is the Sac-Joaquin Section which covers Sacramento.

Sac-Joaquin Section fees this year are:
V3 = $52.66 (3-way split of the 2-person fee, only used in a few tournaments during the regular season)
[Playoffs pay more for a 3-person crew, about $73 each.]
V2 = $79
SV3 = not used
SV2 = $57

No travel fee in this Section.

wyo96 Wed Dec 06, 2017 07:55pm

Wyoming rates
 
Wyoming is $60 for all V and negotiated for JV, but generally $55 2 or 3.

FWIW we get paid 1 mileage for the crew at IRS rate, round trip. (crews decide how to split, if not all to driver) and 4 cents per mile RT per diem/per official.

Most, not all, contracts are double headers, GV and BV. Some small schools are 4 games with JV included, mostly because they don't have local officials.

Some of my games this year will be as far as 380 miles RT. The closest game is 90 miles RT.

JRutledge Wed Dec 06, 2017 09:15pm

Illinois does not have one fee other than playoffs. All areas and conferences have their own standards of payment which can range from private school conferences or different parts of the state. There is no one type of payment.

Peace

sdoebler Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1012486)
Illinois does not have one fee other than playoffs. All areas and conferences have their own standards of payment which can range from private school conferences or different parts of the state. There is no one type of payment.

Peace

What's the rate for first round of playoffs? Best guess at average game fees that you have seen from the conferences and schools you have been to?

JRutledge Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1012494)
What's the rate for first round of playoffs? Best guess at average game fees that you have seen from the conferences and schools you have been to?

Not necessarily. Not all payments are by a conference rate. Some schools pay more than others or do not assign games by a conference. Even tournaments can be vastly different.

bknp7 Thu Dec 07, 2017 04:16am

NC - Varsity 3-Man= $91.00

BillyMac Thu Dec 07, 2017 07:01am

Connecticut ...
 
Connecticut game fees for 2017-2018: Varsity Fee: $95.90 Subvarsity Fee: $62.22.

Subvarsity includes junior varsity, freshman and middle school games. Almost all two person games. No mileage. 7% assignment fee paid at end of the season.

Stripes33 Thu Dec 07, 2017 07:06am

In Indiana it breaks down as follows:

V3 - 75-80, no milage
V2 - not used
SV2 - 60 - 65
SV3 - used very little

V3 Tournament - 75-80, plus milage

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:00am

I'm curious where you got your numbers. For Iowa, it varies in the big class (4A) depending on conference. In the Des Moines metro, the 4A conference (CIML) pays $115 for V doubleheader. I've heard on the east side of the state (MVC and MAC) it's closer to $135. No mileage reimbursement until tourney time, then the fees go down and the mileage pay goes up.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1012494)
What's the rate for first round of playoffs? Best guess at average game fees that you have seen from the conferences and schools you have been to?

(IL) In the suburban Chicago area, it generally ranges from $65 - $82. No mileage. First rounds of playoffs are $72 (state wide)

HokiePaul Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1012446)
It's actually been as high as $75 for a Varsity game in my local area and came down to accommodate 3-man for Girls games. I'm on 2 boards and the range is about $60-65 per Varsity game. I'm thinking those rates would be much hire in Northern VA near and within the Beltway.

Northern VA rates are $86 for varsity (3-person); $71 for sub-varsity (2-person).

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:22am

In Iowa, playoffs are $65/game + mileage. It's somewhere in the neighborhood of $.40 per mile for travel.

sdoebler Thu Dec 07, 2017 09:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 1012531)
I'm curious where you got your numbers. For Iowa, it varies in the big class (4A) depending on conference. In the Des Moines metro, the 4A conference (CIML) pays $115 for V doubleheader. I've heard on the east side of the state (MVC and MAC) it's closer to $135. No mileage reimbursement until tourney time, then the fees go down and the mileage pay goes up.

I searched each states athletic association website. If I couldn't find the officials fees listed there I emailed a secretary or assignor for the area. A few of the numbers were past years as that is the only handbook or list I could find.

jTheUmp Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:02am

Twin Cities (MN) metro area:

Single Varsity (3-person): $81-84
Single Non-varsity (2-person): $58-60

Varsity/JV doubleheader (usually 3-person, although sometimes we have 2 for the JV and a 3rd joining us for the varsity): $111-116.

Varsity doubleheaders are $150ish, I think... I've never worked one, and they don't happen often.

We do not get paid mileage, except for playoffs. For playoff games, we get one mileage allowance for the entire crew. I'm not exactly sure what the per-mile rate is, since I never received it (all of my playoff games last spring were within 10 miles of my house, so I gave the mileage to my partners).

BryanV21 Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:02am

Where in Ohio do varsity officials working 3-man get $80? Here in the Columbus area we get $68 (no mileage).

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1012541)
I searched each states athletic association website. If I couldn't find the officials fees listed there I emailed a secretary or assignor for the area. A few of the numbers were past years as that is the only handbook or list I could find.

Interesting. It's fun to read through these and see what different areas of the country are getting. I'd be curious to see what the lower end of these numbers are for more rural areas and smaller schools. For small school, I did a game last year with no travel reimbursement that was about an hour and 45 min away that paid $85 for a varsity doubleheader. We usually only get one of those a year, as our assignor is very good about trying to keep us within 60 miles. In fact, I only have one game >60 miles away this year, and it will be a great game between two teams that are traditionally solid programs.

sdoebler Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers (Post 1012545)
Interesting. It's fun to read through these and see what different areas of the country are getting. I'd be curious to see what the lower end of these numbers are for more rural areas and smaller schools. For small school, I did a game last year with no travel reimbursement that was about an hour and 45 min away that paid $85 for a varsity doubleheader. We usually only get one of those a year, as our assignor is very good about trying to keep us within 60 miles. In fact, I only have one game >60 miles away this year, and it will be a great game between two teams that are traditionally solid programs.

Absolutely, I think that it is good to give a bit of clarity to the independent contractors and I know that there is monthly grumbling at meetings about the pay in our areas.

One surprise to me has been when the states very by conference or district especially when they are so close. We are so short officials in our area you can work as many games as you want literally 6 days a week, everyday but Sunday. If I was located near two districts that paid different, I would only work in the higher paying district. I'm sure that is not the reality but it seems like it would make it difficult for smaller or lower paying schools to get quality officials and fill there schedules, especially with the national shortage of officials.

Another large difference that is coming to light is mileage. Ranges from nothing to full .50/mile reimbursement make a large difference in your take home check at the end of the night.

UNIgiantslayers Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:33am

One interesting thing I heard the other day is one of those smaller schools that used to pay like $80 for a V doubleheader recently changed their pay because nobody wanted to go there. They pay somewhere in the neighborhood of $130 now for a V DH.

Eastshire Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1012544)
Where in Ohio do varsity officials working 3-man get $80? Here in the Columbus area we get $68 (no mileage).

If I'm reading that right, it's varsity 2-man, but I don't know where that would be happening. In NW Ohio, it's all 3-man for varsity and $65. JV is 2-man for $40-$45.

BryanV21 Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 1012550)
If I'm reading that right, it's varsity 2-man, but I don't know where that would be happening. In NW Ohio, it's all 3-man for varsity and $65. JV is 2-man for $40-$45.

Ok. I was like "I'M GETTING SCREWED!" Lol

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Umpire@1 Thu Dec 07, 2017 02:47pm

In the Southern part of Indiana, varsity is anywhere from $65 to $75 for varsity. It is all 3 person.
JV is all 2 person and pays anywhere from $50 to $65 per contest.
I am told the northern part of the state is pretty close to that also.

sdoebler Thu Dec 07, 2017 03:12pm

Thanks to everyone who has PMed or responded so far, I'm going to paste an updated screenshot of what I have gathered so far shortly.

sdoebler Thu Dec 07, 2017 03:18pm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Let me know if this link works for people, additionally when ranges were listed I usually used the higher end for consistency.

Welpe Thu Dec 07, 2017 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1012470)
CA is by Section, of which there are 13.

It's even more complicated than that. The North Coast Section allows each official's association to negotiate their own fees so my old association has negotiated fees that will be different from another association's.

CMHCoachNRef Fri Dec 08, 2017 01:56am

Ohio Information
 
In Ohio, the rates vary by a fairly significant amount:
Tournament First Round: $80 $1/mile over 50 miles one way
Varsity Rates (All 3 Person): $60 - $72
JV Rates (2 Person): $40 - $55
JV Rates (3 Person): $40 - $50
FR Rates (2 Person): $35 - $45
FR Rates (3 Person): $35 - $42

Some leagues use 3 person for FR+JV DH in Central Ohio and the current pay is $79 ($42 + $37). Central Ohio rates increased from $60 to $68 at the varsity level last year.

We are NOT paid for mileage during the regular season.

so cal lurker Fri Dec 08, 2017 09:49am

As a parent, I see these states that always use 3 man for varsity and I'm jealous. While my son's league uses three, the HS tournaments he plays in So Cal use 2. It's frustrating on some calls to have a better angle than the refs and know why they missed a call.

I believe the Southern Section playoffs use only two refs until the semis (and I'm curious how those refs get selected, as I have not been impressed, but that's a different issue....).

BillyMac Fri Dec 08, 2017 06:51pm

The Land Of Steady Habits ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1012601)
As a parent, I see these states that always use 3 man for varsity and I'm jealous.

I can't believe the number of states, like Indiana, that don't even have a fee listed for a two person varsity game because all varsity games must be three person games.

Connecticut, particularly my little corner of Connecticut, is way behind the times.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/...8029f778_m.jpg

bucky Sat Dec 09, 2017 02:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1012639)
I can't believe the number of states, like Indiana, that don't even have a fee listed for a two person varsity game because all varsity games must be three person games.

Connecticut, particularly my little corner of Connecticut, is way behind the times.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3775/...8029f778_m.jpg

All the corners appear to be the same size to me. Maybe that is your way of being stealthy about where you actually officiate:cool:

BillyMac Sat Dec 09, 2017 06:42am

The Legend Of BillyMac (One Tin Soldier) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1012648)
All the corners appear to be the same size to me. Maybe that is your way of being stealthy about where you actually officiate.

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I posted under my real name and included my local IAABO board affiliation in my signature. I did that for several months until the Grand Pubah of our local board highly recommended to our entire board that we not post on basketball official forums, like this, under our real names and local board affiliation.

Thus began the legend of esteemed Forum member BillyMac, an IAABO member, and environmental chemical analyst, from a little corner of Connecticut. In reality, I'm Dr. Frank N. Furter, a sweet transvestite from Transsexual, Transylvania.

BillyMac Sat Dec 09, 2017 06:58am

IAABO Memo Regarding Social Media ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1012652)
... highly recommended that we not post on basketball official forums, like this, under our real names and local board affiliation ...

From International Association of Approved Basketball Officials, Inc.:

With the onslaught of social media (Facebook, LinkedIn etc.) there are many ways for officials to become controversial very innocently. Officials love to talk, I am sure you know the old saying "tell a ref tell the world". How often does the conversation between officials start with "I had this play" and then we continue with one upsmanship and "I had this play" and so on. We were always concerned when we were having an adult beverage in an establishment talking basketball, being heard by someone as we made comments about a coach, player or even rowdy fans. Why wouldn't we have the same concern today where, instead of being out in public making comments we now make them online? The danger again is that we do not know who views these comments, and we do not know what they will do with these comments.

In regards to basketball, I have watched officials put up a play online and ask for comments from others and there may be responses from a number of officials that give their "opinion", many of which are incorrect rulings. It amazes me that officials did not ask their own interpreters who have been IAABO trained and most likely can provide the correct response and rule citation. The interpreter also has another resource and that Is Peter Webb who is IAABO's Coordinator of Interpreters and who will respond to each and every question with the correct ruling and rule reference within 48 hours.

My concern is that an errant comment made by an official can come back to haunt them, in fact most Division 1 conferences have added this clause to the officials contract. "The office must refrain from any public criticism of the conference, Conference staff, coaches, student athletes, and Conference athletic departments. This criticism includes communicating with the media, and other basketball officials, as well as any method of social or electronic media (Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin, email etc.). Any violation of this policy will result in disciplinary action being taken, which could include one or more of the following actions: private reprimand, suspension or termination".

This may filter down to the state athletic associations in the near future, thus the point of this article is to give our officials a heads up on what is happening in our officiating world. You just might want to give some thought to the above before you make that next "click".

A Pennsylvania Coach Sat Dec 09, 2017 08:58am

In Pennsylvania, the fees are set by each league. In my league we get $75, all three-person. Our JV rate is $64, all two-person.

i missed the postseason last year with an injury, but two years ago I got $87 for a league playoff game, $99 for a league final, $78 for district playoff games, and $80 for a state playoff game. Again, all three-person.

Rich Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:59am

Wisconsin has games that pay $55. They have games that pay $85.

Some areas pay travel. Some don't. A few conferences still in the stone ages work 2-person. One I know allows crews to decide to bring 2 or 3 -- if 3, no mileage and a flat fee. If 2, same fee, but a mileage allotment. I really don't know the details, cause I have worked my last 2-person HS game, by choice.

Playoffs this year are $65 for regionals, $75 for sectionals (all 3-person) with mileage paid to the official (or split equally among the 3) who lives farthest away at 45 cents a mile round trip.

OKREF Sun Dec 10, 2017 02:08am

My part of Oklahoma. Per game...We also work 2 games each night

V3--$50/55
V2--$60/$65
JH2--$50

sdoebler Sun Dec 10, 2017 03:38pm

Everyone has been extremely helpful it is much appreciated. Still have no information on these states:

Alaska
Arkansas
Hawaii
Idaho
Kansas
Maine
Nebraska
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Vermont


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