0 vs. 00

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

Agreed however do you feel/react the same way if it was 1 vs 11?

This is one of many reasons why I check the books before the 10 minute mark. Anything glaringly out of wack can be corrected. There have been times where I get a legitimate explanation/reason for a delayed book. That is good to know in advance instead of at/below 10 mins.

By rule 1 and 11 are two different numbers. The two numbers 0 and 00 are considered the same by rule basically. That is why they are not allowed to be used at the same time because computers cannot distinguish the both 0 and 00 as different numbers. But if we find out that the scorekeeper incorrectly copied

Peace

[bucky]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

By rule 1 and 11 are two different numbers. The two numbers 0 and 00 are considered the same by rule basically. That is why they are not allowed to be used at the same time because computers cannot distinguish the both 0 and 00 as different numbers. But if we find out that the scorekeeper incorrectly copied

Peace

Yea, I understand.

Now I must throw in my 2 cents regarding technology or lack thereof. Based on what you said, if computer programs can distinguish between 1 and 11 as being different numbers, that must mean the computer program can recognize a null value in the tens place. Therefore, why couldn't the same program do the same for the number 0? I hate computers. All they do is reflect the imperfections of humans

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by bucky

Yea, I understand.

Now I must throw in my 2 cents regarding technology or lack thereof. Based on what you said, if computer programs can distinguish between 1 and 11 as being different numbers, that must mean the computer program can recognize a null value in the tens place. Therefore, why couldn't the same program do the same for the number 0? I hate computers. All they do is reflect the imperfections of humans

Depends on if you're storing the values as a String (characters) or as an Integer (number).

Computers store everything in binary, as a combination of 1s and 0s. Assuming we're using 8-bit notation (that is, 8 slots per number) if we're storing just Integers, there's no difference between 0 and 00, because they're both stored as 00000000. 1 is stored as 00000001, 2 is stored as 00000010, 3 is stored as 00000011, 4 is stored as 00000100, etc... 11 is stored as 00001011.

String values are handled differently... each "letter" has it's own 8-bit value. Assuming we're using ASCII notation, the 8-bit value for 0 is 00110000, which would be repeated twice for 00, so 0011000000110000. 11 would be 0011000100110001.

Of course, there are many different types of character encoding schemes (UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32, ISO8859, Windows 1252, and many many more, all of them work similarly to ASCII, but the actual binary value of a particular character may be different)



You may commence shouting "Shut Up, Nerd!" at me at your earliest convenience.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Depends on if you're storing the values as a String (characters) or as an Integer (number).

Computers store everything in binary, as a combination of 1s and 0s. Assuming we're using 8-bit notation (that is, 8 slots per number) if we're storing just Integers, there's no difference between 0 and 00, because they're both stored as 00000000. 1 is stored as 00000001, 2 is stored as 00000010, 3 is stored as 00000011, 4 is stored as 00000100, etc... 11 is stored as 00001011.

String values are handled differently... each "letter" has it's own 8-bit value. Assuming we're using ASCII notation, the 8-bit value for 0 is 00110000, which would be repeated twice for 00, so 0011000000110000. 11 would be 0011000100110001.

Of course, there are many different types of character encoding schemes (UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32, ISO8859, Windows 1252, and many many more, all of them work similarly to ASCII, but the actual binary value of a particular character may be different)



You may commence shouting "Shut Up, Nerd!" at me at your earliest convenience.

No, that was helpful. Very helpful!!!!

Peace

[TriggerMN]

FWIW, here's what our charter clinician said:

"As you know, according to rule 3-4-3d. A team shall not have both #'s of 0 and 00.

Simply a clerical thing here. The intent isn't to penalize a team in this situation."

[bucky]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Depends on if you're storing the values as a String (characters) or as an Integer (number).

Computers store everything in binary, as a combination of 1s and 0s. Assuming we're using 8-bit notation (that is, 8 slots per number) if we're storing just Integers, there's no difference between 0 and 00, because they're both stored as 00000000. 1 is stored as 00000001, 2 is stored as 00000010, 3 is stored as 00000011, 4 is stored as 00000100, etc... 11 is stored as 00001011.

String values are handled differently... each "letter" has it's own 8-bit value. Assuming we're using ASCII notation, the 8-bit value for 0 is 00110000, which would be repeated twice for 00, so 0011000000110000. 11 would be 0011000100110001.

Of course, there are many different types of character encoding schemes (UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32, ISO8859, Windows 1252, and many many more, all of them work similarly to ASCII, but the actual binary value of a particular character may be different)



You may commence shouting "Shut Up, Nerd!" at me at your earliest convenience.

Perfect, perfect, perfect! I almost spewed Mt. Dew on my 4 monitors. I was shouting "Go on, please continue!" although it was at a later convenience, not the earliest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_number_format

[teebob21]

I see I have found my people. Hello nerds!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by teebob21

I see I have found my people. Hello nerds!

Yes, welcome!. As you know, there 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

But, of course, hexidecimal is much easier to read.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... there 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

Reminds me of one of my late Dad's (a proud Irish American) favorite lines.

"There are two kinds of Irishmen. Those that are great singers, and those that think that they are great singers."

(Camron Rust: Thanks for bringing up a great memory of my Dad for me.)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bucky

Yea, I understand.

Now I must throw in my 2 cents regarding technology or lack thereof. Based on what you said, if computer programs can distinguish between 1 and 11 as being different numbers, that must mean the computer program can recognize a null value in the tens place. Therefore, why couldn't the same program do the same for the number 0? I hate computers. All they do is reflect the imperfections of humans

I am assuming because the value of 0 is the same value of 00 if stated. The only reason you would have 00 in the first place is for numbering purposes like our sport. Otherwise if you ad 0 or 00 to anything, it has the same value mathematically. And I am sure someone has made something that could distinguish the two numbers differences, but at the time this rule was put in place, I doubt that was universal and probably still not universal in all computer programs. The numbers 1 and 11 are two different numbers and have different values.

Peace