Travel On "Weird" Step Back Move
I have a question on a traveling violation or possible carrying/palming violation.
IS the move being taught in this video at 3:33 a traveling or carrying violation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaQb...ature=youtu.be I feel that it violates this rule: "The dribble ends when the dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands." Even though he doesn't put his hand under the ball, I believe the ball "came to rest" in one hand as he took extra steps without dribbling the basketball again. The argument I've received from other coaches and referees is that the dribble ends when the player puts the second hand on the ball. I believe this is just ONE WAY to terminate a dribble, not the only way. If that was the rule for terminating the dribble, players could LEGALLY take five steps on a lay up, if they could perfect keeping their hand on the side of the ball while running. Thoughts? |
I agree. Although if the shooter can pull this off at game speed, it will be hard to detect unless you are looking for it. I noticed on the 2nd move that the coach is instructing the player to "nudge" the defender. That is an offensive foul, with or without the push off. But, it would also be hard to detect at game speed. If you officiate the defender, you will see that nudge more easily. However, be prepared to take some grief from the coaches when you call traveling or the shoulder nudge, because this is what they are coaching.
I will say that, as a player, I would try to do these moves if I could get away with it. Creating separation is a real problem for a jump shooter. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk |
Yes, it (play 2) is a travel. The ball did come to rest in the hand ending the dribble.
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The tag line on this video is for NBA and they have different travel rules than Fed/NCAA
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I don't think I would call that a travel at game speed. Unless the dribbler clearly puts his hand under the ball. In the linked video he is keeping his hand on top of the ball during the hesitation.
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Is it possible for the hand to be under the ball and not be illegal? Is it possible for the hand to be on top of the ball and be illegal? |
At 3:50, the instructor makes the point about when the ball can be picked up to establish the correct pivot foot to make this play legal. If the players make the move as instructed, it's not a travel. Obviously when he demonstrates the play at half speed he is holding the ball much sooner. But I believe to answer the original question, this move is not necessarily a travel.
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All I'm saying is if I see this move at full speed and the dribbler keeps his hand above the ball I ain't calling it. |
I do not have a travel based on the instructors demonstration of the move at 4:10.
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