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frezer11 Mon Mar 13, 2017 08:03am

Play 4- I don't think the defense did anything wrong, charge.
Play 5- Travel, but admittedly, I might miss this one live, that was a pretty quick move.

Raymond Mon Mar 13, 2017 08:41am

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1002224)
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Play 5- Travel, but admittedly, I might miss this one live, that was a pretty quick move.

That move was sloppy enough that I would have called the travel and have.

bucky Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:01am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1002205)
What game?

Peace

Sorry, it would have been the Arizona game late Saturday night pacific time on ESPN.

MechanicGuy Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:45am

Broken record time:

Play 5, by rule, is a travel. 99% of spin moves to the basket are travels.

That said, "the game of basketball", in practice, has decided that that is a legal move. And I'm not going to be the only official calling it, so I'm passing just like they did.

Pantherdreams Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:08pm

In regards to the travel. As advised by many here, if you need it in super slow mo to pick it up we probably aren't calling it.

I have always been an advocate of getting all of the travels even if it meant getting a couple of close ones wrong. I am aware that is puts me in the minority here in the general officiating universe so I do my best to act as Rome would have me act.

Problem with these sorts of plays is when the dribble ends? If I'm officiating the defense and there is traffic and he starts to pull the ball for a psin dribble then curls his arms/scoops the ball. That can be a hard get . . . back to my intial point. If i'm not sure without replay, most people I work with or for don't want you calling it.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:59pm

Play 4....easy charge. Ignore the announcers. It was way outside the RA and he had LGP for miles. His lateral movement was irrelevant since the shooter was still on the floor.

Play 5. Travel. Left is the pivot on the spin. Steps the the right, then to the left again.

MechanicGuy Mon Mar 13, 2017 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by Pantherdreams (Post 1002261)
In regards to the travel. As advised by many here, if you need it in super slow mo to pick it up we probably aren't calling it.

I have always been an advocate of getting all of the travels even if it meant getting a couple of close ones wrong. I am aware that is puts me in the minority here in the general officiating universe so I do my best to act as Rome would have me act.

Problem with these sorts of plays is when the dribble ends? If I'm officiating the defense and there is traffic and he starts to pull the ball for a psin dribble then curls his arms/scoops the ball. That can be a hard get . . . back to my intial point. If i'm not sure without replay, most people I work with or for don't want you calling it.

I spent last March rewinding/reviewing every spin move I saw. None were, technically, legal. It's incredibly difficult/awkward to get that first foot down before ending your dribble. It just doesn't happen that way.

That said, oif neither coach, none of the players, none of the fans and nearly none of my fellow officials think that play is or should be illegal I'm not going to die on that hill.

JRutledge Mon Mar 13, 2017 03:07pm

Finally found these plays.
 
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1002131)
ESPN: With 9:47 to play, Trier(AZ) makes a full-court layup and teammate grabs rim/net as ball still in net. Nothing called but looked like obvious BI.

Play #6:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3yq-bLVqNos" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1002132)
ESPN: With 3:22 (think) to go, drive down left middle and T ref calls a block, via restricted area, on secondary defender. Was the secondary defender in the air or grounded?

Play #7:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yu50Up_Ifuc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

bucky Mon Mar 13, 2017 03:29pm

Awesome, thank you. Interested to hear what people think.

JRutledge Mon Mar 13, 2017 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1002129)
ESPN: With 15:59 remaining in 2nd half, AZ player initially called for a flagrant 1 foul. After review, downgraded to common foul. F1 in my mind.

Play #7:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y4Y30up7sU8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Camron Rust Mon Mar 13, 2017 04:31pm

Play 6: Technically BI since the ball was in the basket but that and similar plays are often passed on. The ball was in and was not coming out. Any slight contact with the rim at that point was not going to have any effect on the shot.

Play 7 #1. The defender did just just as contact was beginning but I think contact occurred before he left the floor. He didn't really jump to play the ball but did so, halfheartedly, as an afterthought to avoid an RA block. This exposes the flaw in the RA rules with defenders jumping. It adds one more layer of complexity. Did he jump in time and did he really jump?

Play 7 #2. Good downgrade. At most, that was a minor nudge. A foul for sure but not even close to a flagrant 1 IMO.

JRutledge Mon Mar 13, 2017 04:48pm

Play #8:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PPRZ0gR6ByU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Camron Rust Mon Mar 13, 2017 05:15pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1002324)
Play #8:

Peace

Great call. LGP gained a long time before contact. Moved legally to maintain it. I wish we'd be more consistent with that.

Nevadaref Mon Mar 13, 2017 05:54pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1002327)
Great call. LGP gained a long time before contact. Moved legally to maintain it. I wish we'd be more consistent with that.

I concur. Sadly, the announcers are totally wrong and that spreads further misinformation to the viewing public.

wyo96 Mon Mar 13, 2017 06:12pm

Bill Walton is BAD
 
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1002335)
I concur. Sadly, the announcers are totally wrong and that spreads further misinformation to the viewing public.

To call Bill Walton an announcer is an insult to all announcers... He is terrible. Just talks to hear his own voice and thinks he is funny when he is insulting. I can't watch a game that he is on.

PS: Great call. I love it....


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