VIDEO REQUEST - North Florida vs FGCU

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bucky

A delay of game occurs during a dead ball. In the video, I consider it to be a live ball and thus a T. The scenario of a player having the ball with two hands and walking towards the endline is also a live ball IMO so I would go with a T. There was also the scenario of the dead ball being knocked into the hallway. IMO, that is too egregious to call a DOG and would go with a T. I would consider it unsporting, just as I would if the player grabbed the dead ball and punted it clear across the gym. It might fit the DOG case but IMO, it also fits the player technical foul rule (unsporting).

I think a lot of it comes down to when you think the ball is live and the extent of the act.

See case 6.1.2 sit B for some wording that somewhat describes an official's action in this/these types of scenarios after a goal.

I don't think that when the ball is considered live is a matter of opinion. If he's got the ball and is headed OB at a reasonable pace to make the throw-in, then it isn't live. Didn't we cover that in this thread like 2 pages ago?

bucky... ducky.... Nah, couldn't be.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I don't think that when the ball is considered live is a matter of opinion. If he's got the ball and is headed OB at a reasonable pace to make the throw-in, then it isn't live. Didn't we cover that in this thread like 2 pages ago?

bucky... ducky.... Nah, couldn't be.....

It's not live until he's actually out of bounds and engaged in the throw-in, particularly if he's moving at a reasonable pace.

If the team or player is delaying, then we can start it earlier than that, but that's a rarity (significantly less than once per game).

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

It's not live until he's actually out of bounds and engaged in the throw-in, particularly if he's moving at a reasonable pace.

If the team or player is delaying, then we can start it earlier than that, but that's a rarity (significantly less than once per game).

Exactly.

A player holding the ball inbounds is not able to make a legal throwin from that inbounds location so it is not yet at their disposal for a throwin. It is available for a throwin only when it has been taken to a spot where a throwin can be legally made. It is also to be considered to be available and at their disposal when sufficient time has been allowed to do so but the team/player is delaying.

Considering it live as soon as a player grabs the ball, and thus starting the 5 count, is penalizing the throwing team by reducing the actual time they have to make the throwin below the full 5 seconds. If you are not starting the 5 count, however, you have not considered the ball live.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A player holding the ball inbounds is not able to make a legal throwin from that inbounds location so it is not yet at their disposal for a throwin. It is available for a throwin only when it has been taken to a spot where a throwin can be legally made. It is also to be considered to be available and at their disposal when sufficient time has been allowed to do so but the team/player is delaying.

The ball becomes live when:
b. On a throw-in, it is at the disposal of the thrower.

A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is:
d. Available to a player after a goal and the official begins the throw-in count.

The throw-in and the throw-in count begin when the ball is at the
disposal of a player of the team entitled to it.

[bucky]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I don't think that when the ball is considered live is a matter of opinion.

We will have to agree to disagree. It isn't a matter of opinion on a jump ball or a FT but it certainly is on a throw-in. Maybe not in your example but there are lots of other examples (I provided at least 2) that would prove otherwise.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Makes sense. Ignore the caseplay that addresses this almost exactly... and rule differently because a nearby door happened to be open.

Thanks for proving my point.


Case 4.42.3 also assists us. To me the main line is "...the throw-in count begins when the official determines B1 has had ample time to secure the ball, it need not be in B1's possession." Obviously this is for a situation involving a player causing his own delay but my point is that each throw-in essentially starts when an official makes that determination and there are countless situations where no two officials would agree on when the throw-in should start.