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Nevadaref Thu Mar 02, 2017 04:00am

Vid request: Northwestern winning basket over Michigan
 
I'll request video of this in order to ask how many on here would call a travel on the final basket by Northwestern?

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:34pm

Here is the video. Someone made me post this. ;)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4TRN83iZH8E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Adam Thu Mar 02, 2017 01:10pm

I think he bobbles, but is able to control with that first foot still on the floor. It's damned close, though, and that bobble makes me think I'd like to have missed it in real time. Lead would have had a good view of the bobble, I think.

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 01:13pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 1001491)
I think he bobbles, but is able to control with that first foot still on the floor. It's damned close, though, and that bobble makes me think I'd like to have missed it in real time. Lead would have had a good view of the bobble, I think.

I agree.

Peace

IUgrad92 Thu Mar 02, 2017 01:52pm

Question regarding C's mechanics/player focus in this play. Looks like you could tell team A was wanting to pass long, just by player setup. Do you hedge in that regard and go where you have the majority of the players or do you stay with closest match up, as it appears that's what C does here? L has 6 players in the front court.

Not saying that he has to be down inline with top of the key/free throw line area, but just maybe hedging towards 28 ft. mark or somewhere closer to mid-court.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 02, 2017 01:59pm

Yes, that was a travel....albeit one that is almost never called. Let's just change the rules to match what is actually called so we can be both right and honest about these.

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 02:00pm

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 1001496)
Question regarding C's mechanics/player focus in this play. Looks like you could tell team A was wanting to pass long, just by player setup. Do you hedge in that regard and go where you have the majority of the players or do you stay with closest match up, as it appears that's what C does here? L has 6 players in the front court.

Not saying that he has to be down inline with top of the key/free throw line area, but just maybe hedging towards 28 ft. mark or somewhere closer to mid-court.

Honestly, without knowing what they are doing, I do not know how he can know for sure. Because if the pass was near half court, then he could be out of position on that play too. I think he just has to officiate like normal and I would have never thought that the play would be a full court pass, ala Duke-Kentucky. So I think he tried to cover some other kind of play an that was the one attempted and executed.

Peace

Pantherdreams Thu Mar 02, 2017 02:02pm

There's a bobble that in real time would have made it very difficult to tell. ALong with needing to be focused on a when a touch happens, officiating the defense for contact, mentally tracking time in case of a problem . . . you've got a lot on the go.

There is a case to be made for a travel, but in real time I can live with the result from an officiating stand point.

If it was that bad you'd have Michigan coaches talking about.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 02, 2017 02:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 1001496)
Question regarding C's mechanics/player focus in this play. Looks like you could tell team A was wanting to pass long, just by player setup. Do you hedge in that regard and go where you have the majority of the players or do you stay with closest match up, as it appears that's what C does here? L has 6 players in the front court.

Not saying that he has to be down inline with top of the key/free throw line area, but just maybe hedging towards 28 ft. mark or somewhere closer to mid-court.

Even if it sets up where he did, why did he just stop when the pass went long? He should busted his but toward the frontcourt as soon as that pass went long. Instead, he stopped and watched from 70 feet away. He could have easily been 20-30 feet closer if he goes on the pass.

Raymond Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 1001496)
Question regarding C's mechanics/player focus in this play. Looks like you could tell team A was wanting to pass long, just by player setup. Do you hedge in that regard and go where you have the majority of the players or do you stay with closest match up, as it appears that's what C does here? L has 6 players in the front court.

Not saying that he has to be down inline with top of the key/free throw line area, but just maybe hedging towards 28 ft. mark or somewhere closer to mid-court.

I would have liked to have seen him hedge towards the division line because his closest offensive player would have been uncontested in the back court based on the defense.

Nevadaref Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1001502)
Even if it sets up where he did, why did he just stop when the pass went long? He should busted his but toward the frontcourt as soon as that pass went long. Instead, he stopped and watched from 70 feet away. He could have easily been 20-30 feet closer if he goes on the pass.

Because he doesn't have to move. He has a monitor to let him know if the shot gets released in time. Another example of how the monitor has made college officials worse than the guys who covered these games before.

Raymond Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1001519)
Because he doesn't have to move. He has a monitor to let him know if the shot gets released in time. Another example of how the monitor has made college officials worse than the guys who covered these games before.

I'm sure you have a scientific study to show this cause and effect on such plays. :rolleyes:

AremRed Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:33pm

What the F is Slot doing. Freezes at the FTLE in the BACKCOURT and leaves Lead on an island to referee all those players. He should be at halfcourt to start and busting his ass to get in position when the pass is in the air.

We also need to get rid of this replay review after every game winner. Replay is there to correct OBVIOUS mistakes. If the refs think there is an obvious mistake or one of the coaches requests a review then yes review it. Otherwise, call it.

Camron Rust Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1001519)
Because he doesn't have to move. He has a monitor to let him know if the shot gets released in time. Another example of how the monitor has made college officials worse than the guys who covered these games before.

And as we see here, there was more to cover than the release of the shot.

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1001519)
Because he doesn't have to move. He has a monitor to let him know if the shot gets released in time. Another example of how the monitor has made college officials worse than the guys who covered these games before.

It is actually not his call to make by mechanic. IJS.

Peace


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