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Simultaneous common & intentional fouls
Team A is in bonus
A1 is dribbling the ball and is blocked by B1 (common foul). A fraction of a second later (before the whistle blows), A1 extends an arm and pushes B1 hard to the ground (ruled intentional...not enough for flagrant). What's the restart? Do we go with POI as we would with 2 common fouls, or go with the more severe foul / give 2 shots and the ball to B? |
By your description I believe this is a false double foul.
However, if you're going to call this a double foul, then I believe when they are of unequal severity as in your case, you report both, but resume with the administration for the more serious foul, as if the common foul had not occurred. In other words, two shots for B1 and ball to B nearest the spot of the foul. Again, by your description, I'd be more apt to call a false double foul and administer penalties in the order in which the fouls occurred, keeping in mind that the second foul would be an intentional technical foul in that case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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From your description one could say that this is a Double Foul. It does not matter that one foul is a Common Foul and the other is an Intentional Personal Foul, it is still a Double Foul. Both fouls are charged and play is resumed using the POI protocol which in this case a Designated Spot Throw-in by Team A nearest the spot of the Double Foul. MTD, Sr. |
The first two responders gave you the two choices.
1. Rule this a double-foul and resume at the POI without attempting any FTs. Doesn't matter that one foul was deemed intentional. 2. Rule that the second foul is intentional contact during a dead ball (technical foul) and penalize the fouls in the order in which they occurred. Bonus FTs for A1 with the lane cleared, followed by 2FTs for Team B and possession to Team B at the division line. |
False Double Foul ...
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I would assess these separately. Common foul then dead ball contact T.
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Is it a dead ball foul if the whistle hasn't blown yet?
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The rule supports a double foul here I personally would go with one of the 2 options I provided. |
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Most of the rest occur demonstrably before any whistle that acknowledges them (fouls, violations, held balls). Only a select few times does the whistle actually make the ball dead. Mainly inadvertent whistles. |
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Im a bit lost now. |
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"Intentional" fouls are for live ball contact. The penalty is player that was fouled shoots the FT's and ball inbounded to the offended team at spot closest to the foul.
If the punch was landed during live ball action then Charlie that got clocked would shoot the FT's, assuming he can. Any other action AFTER the initial punch is dead ball activity and any player can shoot those FT's if there are any. However Charlie will need to "man" up, unless he's out cold then its understandable, and take his FT's. |
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