Kansas @ Kansas State plays (Video)
 

Play #1:
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Play #2:
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Play #3:
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Play #4:
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Play #5:
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Play #6:
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Peace

plays
 

Plays 1 and 2; continuous upward motion.
Play 3. dead ball -after A/P got too players, kept cool, took their time to make the right call.
Play 4. Ball did not hit the line.
Play 5. Not in R/A!
Play 6. Not a kicked ball! No intent to kick.

1 and 2: I think both are continuous / upward motion. In each scenario dribbler has ended dribble and in my opinion started shooting process. At least the call is consistent on both ends.

3. I have no problem with how this held ball and aftermath was officiated

4. Clearly doesn't hit line - easy get with slow motion zoomed in replay - tough play in real time

5. Why do we think this an RA block? I think the lead just has a regular block, he never points at RA. As far as block / charge goes, I had to watch the slow motion replay 3 times to see if he was legal before offense left the court, if I have to do that, then I'm okay with the either call on the court.

6. Clearly missed kick ball call. The Lead official is completely straight lined on this call. Good lesson here to trust your partner, the C has a much better look from his angle, and he does not have a whistle.

Speculating of course.
 

It appears he points to the RA as a way to suggest that is why he called the block. I do not think it was a block but that would have been the only reason to call one here. But this was the question of the person that brought this to my attention (after my game last night and recorded this on their phone.

Peace

Something to consider..... If you are the closest official to a scrum, do not take your eyes off of the players until everyone is up safely. Talk to the players, "Good hustle", "Easy up", so they know an official is right there as they are getting up. Do not worry about the arrow, that is what your partners are for.

Looks like Lead took his eyes off of the players just long enough for something to get started, and he would have had no idea who did what.....

Even if he did as you suggest, at his level, he has video that will tell him all he needs to know.

Just because you have video, doesn't mean you shouldn't do things the right way. Most of us don't have every game being taped, so my comments were mainly geared in that direction....

#1: can live with foul prior to upward motion

#2: upward motion had begun

#3: nothing unusual here

#4: IC on OOB for Roger

#5: I have a PC foul

#6: I would hope I would leave this play for the Center if I'm the Lead

Cute, critiquing Higgins, who is perhaps the #1 rated mens basketball official in the country about doing things the right way.

As for the plays

1 & 2. In real time I'd say shooting, however in slo mo he got them right
3. Nothing wrong with the deal ball activity. The Kansas player over reacted
4. Not an OOB
5. I thought it was a PC from the get go
6. I don't think the foot struck the ball and the L would have an awful angle for that call

Excuse my ignorance of NCAA rules (I use FIBA rules), but does there need to be "upward" movement for the act of shooting to begin? To me, #1 and 2 are clear shooting fouls.

That is the interpretation for Men's basketball. I will tell you many of us try our best to make the upward motion as apart of our calls. But that does not mean we have a rule that clearly is often tough to call. I do not begrudge either call, they are tough to make on the fly. Easier for us to state this on replay IMO.

Peace

Thanks Jeff. In FIBA, the rules states that the act of shooting often begins with upward movement but it is not necessary. It seems there are times when a player picks up his dribble to shoot that he is clearly in the act of shooting although he may not have actually started an upward movement.

On No. 5, are we sure he's indicating it's an RA block? I don't see him do it after he gives the block signal, and when it's a close-up of him, that motion he does with his hand seems more like he's telling the player "Line it up for free throws" than it is pointing to the arc.

I recall this play now. Just because the announcer said it was doesn't mean it was.

I was not basing it off the announcer. I am basing it off of what he said when the player approached him. He looked like he was telling the coach why he called the block.

Peace

Play #3.
 

Yes, I am a KU fan. But, Play #3 was not an Held Ball. This was a very good example of A1 gaining control of the ball while on the floor and then B1 and B2 jumping on A1 and/or B1 and B2 grabbing A1's arms. I am sorry I do not care what level play this is, both B1 and B2 committed a CF against A1. At no time was this ever a Held Ball.

MTD, Sr.

Was the first one even a foul? From another topic in another thread. Did anyone notice that during the 3rd clip, Higgins is about to administer the throw in from the end line and he is setting up to be on the outside of the thrower.

You have the option to set up either inside or outside. The closer to the lane you stay on the outside.

Peace

play 3
 

When 15 blue gets control of the ball and rolls from one side to the other away from the defence! And does this before any contact on his arms or the ball is held for an AP, is this not a travel in NCAA M.

I can see possible fouls on this play, I can see an AP.

It would be a travel in FIBA. It is easily missed, but by rule in FIBA it is a travel.

Please help with NCAA M rule and interpretation.

Agree 100%

Play #3.
 

I can see a possible traveling call but if a traveling call is not going to be made then a CF has to be called on one of the KSU players.

From the comfort of the stands in high school games, it seems like a lot of these types of plays are called held balls, even though it is clear (to me from my superior view from the stands;)) that there was never anything close to dual possession of the ball.

It drives me crazy when officials call a quick held ball under the thinking that "we can't let people get hurt." Just hate it.

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Last night I'll admit I had a play like one in this game. I was the T tableside and there was a halfcourt trap and a defender looked to me to stick his leg out and kick a pass.

I found out later from the bench that I missed it -- it hit the player's hand as the hand and leg came out simultaneously. I was pinned near the scorer's table and was too close to the play.

Since the game ended up a 45 point margin and the team I "screwed" was already up 20 to 25 at the time, I'm not bothered beyond the not-so-good look I had on the play.

Absolutely not the intent...... again, my comments are strictly focused on maybe a different way for the high school game. When I first started, mentors emphasized keeping eyes on all players involved in a 'scrum'. It has served me well over the years, as I've caught a few jabs/pokes that I might have missed had I been more concerned about knowing which way the arrow was pointing...

I'm well aware that the top D1 guys are perfect and have nothing to work on to improve their games...... :D

Play 1: shooting
Play 2: shooting
Play 3. L blows whistle, signals, and takes eyes off players. If going to call a held ball, I suggest getting down on one knee, right next to the players, and repeatedly blowing my whistle until all involved players part.
Play 4. Ball did not hit the line but perhaps L was signaling foot being OOB.
Play 5. Not in RA and therefore not an RA block call. I fail to see ref point to RA at any time, which is the proper mechanic for RA block calls.
Play 6. Not a kicked ball. Ref made a mistake.