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djelo3 Mon Jan 30, 2017 02:16pm

sliding traveling
 
Is there a limit as far as sliding on your back or front while diving after a loose ball then gaining possession of it? My partner called traveling when A1 dove after a loose ball...landed on his back and slid almost 6 or 7 ft but never rolled over to eithr side. I thought it was a legal play once he then passed it off.

JRutledge Mon Jan 30, 2017 02:21pm

Nope. They can slide as long as their momentum and they can stay inbounds. And a player can even roll if they are still in a momentum slide.

Peace

Kansas Ref Mon Jan 30, 2017 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by djelo3 (Post 998904)
Is there a limit as far as sliding on your back or front while diving after a loose ball then gaining possession of it? My partner called traveling when A1 dove after a loose ball...landed on his back and slid almost 6 or 7 ft but never rolled over to eithr side. I thought it was a legal play once he then passed it off.

*It always drives coaches, fans, and opposing team members wild when this occurs as they are predictably yelling "travelling" and left bewildered when the refs do not kill this play; moreover, a novice or uniformed ref could be persuaded to adjudicate incorrectly. Alas, Rule/Case play 4-44-5b provide clarity for us.

Rich Mon Jan 30, 2017 02:56pm

Similar note:

We had a player fumble a pass a couple of times as he was streaking through the lane and, wouldn't you know it, someone told me we were the only 3 people in the gym who didn't see the traveling.

Hmmm.

Raymond Mon Jan 30, 2017 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by djelo3 (Post 998904)
Is there a limit as far as sliding on your back or front while diving after a loose ball then gaining possession of it? My partner called traveling when A1 dove after a loose ball...landed on his back and slid almost 6 or 7 ft but never rolled over to eithr side. I thought it was a legal play once he then passed it off.

Did your partner say he called the travel b/c A1 slid too far?

so cal lurker Mon Jan 30, 2017 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 998911)
Similar note:

We had a player fumble a pass a couple of times as he was streaking through the lane and, wouldn't you know it, someone told me we were the only 3 people in the gym who didn't see the traveling.

Hmmm.

Wait, is this the no-pants thread?:eek:

Rich Mon Jan 30, 2017 03:53pm

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 998924)
Wait, is this the no-pants thread?:eek:

Speaking of no pants, we had a streaker during a varsity game enough years ago that we were working 2-person. Male senior student, naked as the day he was born, ran from one corner of the gym across the floor and out the other corner.

Every time I go there that STILL comes up in conversation.

Welpe Mon Jan 30, 2017 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 998911)
Similar note:

We had a player fumble a pass a couple of times as he was streaking through the lane and, wouldn't you know it, someone told me we were the only 3 people in the gym who didn't see the traveling.

Hmmm.

It's really fun when your partner reaches all the way from his area into the middle of yours to call that a travel and then chides you in post-game for not calling enough travels. :rolleyes:

Rich Mon Jan 30, 2017 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 998927)
It's really fun when your partner reaches all the way from his area into the middle of yours to call that a travel and then chides you in post-game for not calling enough travels. :rolleyes:

Yup.

Game I was watching -- I saw a ball come out as a player fell to the floor but just before it would've been traveling. C across the court blew his whistle and the T/L had nothing. They didn't fix the C's error.

CMHCoachNRef Mon Jan 30, 2017 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 998911)
Similar note:

We had a player fumble a pass a couple of times as he was streaking through the lane and, wouldn't you know it, someone told me we were the only 3 people in the gym who didn't see the traveling.

Hmmm.

I would like to see NFHS adopt the football "bobbling the ball" mechanic for such situations.

CMHCoachNRef Mon Jan 30, 2017 06:39pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 998920)
Did your partner say he called the travel b/c A1 slid too far?

Well, of course he did!:rolleyes: I like to ask the coach in those situations (in which my partners know the rule :D), "Coach, can you tell me what the distance is, in the rule book?" Cause, there is a distance (not actually in the rule book, but, I believe it would be about 106.5 feet).

This assumes a player would commence his dive at one corner of a 50x94 foot court and stop just prior to going out of bounds at the corner diagonal to the start of his dive.....and the co-efficient of friction does not stop him prior to reaching the corner...also assumes his own momentum carried him off the court (otherwise a violation could have been called) and he came back onto the court going at a very high rate of speed.

kelvinsmerli Mon Jan 30, 2017 06:56pm

Nope, Oops.

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LRZ Mon Jan 30, 2017 08:41pm

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 998939)
I would like to see NFHS adopt the football "bobbling the ball" mechanic for such situations.

Use it anyway. For years, we used an unofficial signal for running the end line after a basket or FT; now it's an approved mechanic.

Rich Mon Jan 30, 2017 09:49pm

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 998939)
I would like to see NFHS adopt the football "bobbling the ball" mechanic for such situations.



Used it there. Didn't matter. Fans aren't bright.

Mregor Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 998910)
*It always drives coaches, fans, and opposing team members wild when this occurs as they are predictably yelling "travelling" and left bewildered when the refs do not kill this play;

That's because some ignorant ref the night before called it a travel. Like the partner I had Friday. Along with several other bs stuff like when he had a jump ball and I had a TO before the jump, he said No when I relayed that to him. Or like when he made the kid take off his tights because he only had one legged tights, or he reports foul and the number is not on floor so picks a kid and it's their 5th and I have to deal with the coach because he has no idea of who the foul is on, or ....

Get in, Get Done, Get Out.

Rich Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Mregor (Post 998947)
That's because some ignorant ref the night before called it a travel. Like the partner I had Friday. Along with several other bs stuff like when he had a jump ball and I had a TO before the jump, he said No when I relayed that to him. Or like when he made the kid take off his tights because he only had one legged tights, or he reports foul and the number is not on floor so picks a kid and it's their 5th and I have to deal with the coach because he has no idea of who the foul is on, or ....



Get in, Get Done, Get Out.



On the timeout, just hit the whistle and enforce the timeout, saying, "timeout before the held ball." Sometimes guys like that you just have to steamroll. :)

RedAndWhiteRef Tue Jan 31, 2017 03:39pm

Had this exact thing happen in my game Friday night. Coach was all over me for it. All I could say was "That's not a travel, coach."

As long as you three (or two) know the rule literally nothing else matters.

Adam Tue Jan 31, 2017 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 998939)
I would like to see NFHS adopt the football "bobbling the ball" mechanic for such situations.

That works great until C comes in from across the court with a whistle and the traveling signal.

jTheUmp Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:33am

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 998940)
Well, of course he did!:rolleyes: I like to ask the coach in those situations (in which my partners know the rule :D), "Coach, can you tell me what the distance is, in the rule book?" Cause, there is a distance (not actually in the rule book, but, I believe it would be about 106.5 feet).

This assumes a player would commence his dive at one corner of a 50x94 foot court and stop just prior to going out of bounds at the corner diagonal to the start of his dive.....and the co-efficient of friction does not stop him prior to reaching the corner...also assumes his own momentum carried him off the court (otherwise a violation could have been called) and he came back onto the court going at a very high rate of speed.

Love it... I just wish I could condense this down enough to use it on a coach.

MechanicGuy Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 998980)
That works great until C comes in from across the court with a whistle and the traveling signal.

I only use this "signal" when the play has ended and there is no danger of a partner doing that. I also usually only do it when I hear feedback in the air from fans/players/coaches about the non-whistle.

Rich Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:18am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 998980)
That works great until C comes in from across the court with a whistle and the traveling signal.



And then we go POI with an IW. :)

CMHCoachNRef Thu Feb 02, 2017 07:40am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 998980)
That works great until C comes in from across the court with a whistle and the traveling signal.

Well, yes, I suppose it is much better to have C come in with a travel call on a bobbled ball.....

CMHCoachNRef Thu Feb 02, 2017 07:41am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 998980)
That works great until C comes in from across the court with a whistle and the traveling signal.

No different than C coming in with a backcourt violation in a situation in which the trail is signaling the tipped ball (with the signal) that put it back there....

zm1283 Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 998926)
Speaking of no pants, we had a streaker during a varsity game enough years ago that we were working 2-person. Male senior student, naked as the day he was born, ran from one corner of the gym across the floor and out the other corner.

Every time I go there that STILL comes up in conversation.

This happened at a game a few years ago. It wasn't my game but my wife was there and saw it. Kid from the home school came running in one corner of the gym, ran across the court, and out the door on the other side. They tracked him down in the woods next to the school in some state of undress.

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 998939)
I would like to see NFHS adopt the football "bobbling the ball" mechanic for such situations.

I do it to the bench when they're convinced it's a travel.

Ignorant fans and coaches are a problem with that rule, but they got that way because some officials call that a travel A LOT. Then when someone doesn't call it he's the bad guy.

frezer11 Thu Feb 02, 2017 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 998980)
That works great until C comes in from across the court with a whistle and the traveling signal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 999078)
No different than C coming in with a backcourt violation in a situation in which the trail is signaling the tipped ball (with the signal) that put it back there....

This is why I always correct newer officials who use the tipped ball signal on a blocked shot. I know when I first started I did that a few times, and it bit me in the butt a few times. You feel like a pretty big idiot while you're up there showing a tipped ball signal and your partner is calling a foul. Only takes a couple of those (or really, just one) to teach you to not use that signal inappropriately!

SE Minnestoa Re Fri Feb 03, 2017 09:53am

We had one of these slides last night. The kid was really barreling and slid quite a ways. Of course the other coach wanted travelling. I said he could slide as far as it took to stop.

The coach smiled and said he was going to work on that at practice tomorrow.


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