Georgia-A&M timing error

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

if the foul occured before time ran out then shoot 2. I'm saying they don't need a doover.

Huh?

Do you know the situation?

5.6 on the clock when it stops erroneously with a live ball in play. 7 seconds later there's a shooting foul.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Rich

Huh?

Do you know the situation?

5.6 on the clock when it stops erroneously with a live ball in play. 7 seconds later there's a shooting foul.

I watched the play. From my count I had a 6 count. Maybe a bit over 6. They had the time, and they knew how much time there was. There is no "look" for a great shot under 10 seconds.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I watched the play. From my count I had a 6 count. Maybe a bit over 6. They had the time, and they knew how much time there was. There is no "look" for a great shot under 10 seconds.

You said they got the attempt they wanted. That's not true. The attempt was waved off as well as the foul that prevented the attempt from being successful.

The rules do not allow for a do-over and the officials handled the situation correctly. But saying they got the shot they wanted is 100% inaccurate because they didn't get a shot attempt.

[so cal lurker]

Some errors just don't have fair solutions. This is one of them.

This result isn't fair as the players (presumably) relied on the actual clock

A do over isn't fair to the defense, who prevented Georgia from getting a shot off in the time allowed.

Basketball, like life, isn't always fair.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Some errors just don't have fair solutions. This is one of them.

This result isn't fair as the players (presumably) relied on the actual clock

A do over isn't fair to the defense, who prevented Georgia from getting a shot off in the time allowed.

Basketball, like life, isn't always fair.

Who knows if the defense prevented it, though?

[Texas Aggie]

Had the player(s) known the clock was expiring, I'm sure a shot would've been attempted earlier.

You're making a HUGE assumption there with little proven factual basis. Assuming he had the ability to know where the clock was, didn't he know it was at 8, 7, and 6 seconds before it froze at 5.6? He stops his dribble at about 6.5 left with the clock still running, and passes. Neither he nor the player he passes to can know the clock will stop, so if they are truly in the know about the time, they know they have a little more than 5 seconds at that point. What does the player that gets the pass do? He immediately passes it back to a player and sees 2 defenders within about 4 feet of the player with the ball now. The player with the ball is now about 5-6 feet behind the 3 point line. You have to be able to show how his actions with about 3 seconds would differ than those with the 5.6 he allegedly saw up when he got the pass back.

They need to look toward using a backup clock -- one that is at the table and can be fed into the video for replay.

The clock freezing is a bit of a pain. I had a football playoff game the year before last where we had to reset the game clock like 6 times in the last 3 minutes of the game. It just kept stopping through no fault of the clock operators.

[ODog]

I know we often have our own personal counts when possessions begin with just a handful of seconds left, to combat against the clock not starting properly. This is usually coming out of a timeout, but otherwise on an inbounds play.

I forget when this possession began, but I feel like it was with more than 10 seconds remaining. Does anyone ever do a personal count of this length? Even so, once you determine the clock has started properly, do you usually just bag your count? I know I do.

Might not anymore though ...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You said they got the attempt they wanted. That's not true. The attempt was waved off as well as the foul that prevented the attempt from being successful.

The rules do not allow for a do-over and the officials handled the situation correctly. But saying they got the shot they wanted is 100% inaccurate because they didn't get a shot attempt.

They got the shot attempt they wanted. They were just late. There are plenty of instances where shots are released AFTER time expires. The attempt they got off wouldn't have counted. But it's an attempt.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

They got the shot attempt they wanted. They were just late. There are plenty of instances where shots are released AFTER time expires. The attempt they got off wouldn't have counted. But it's an attempt.

No, they didn't. They based their action and shot on what showed on the clock...they thought they had time to make another pass and did. The clock completely screwed them.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, they didn't. They based their action and shot on what showed on the clock...they thought they had time to make another pass and did. The clock completely screwed them.

Probably. Probably not.

[Nevadaref]

NCAA officials have this easy. They can use the monitor and a stopwatch to determine whether or not the foul counts and how much time should remain in the game.

NFHS officials can't go that route. Let's discuss what you should do if this happens in your high school game. To me that's more interesting.