Should I have whacked this coach?
 

I haven't been able to let this go since last night. A1 drives into the lane and B1 ties him up. Partner calls jump ball. I'm C in front of Coach A, who immediately jumps up and down yelling why??? I turn around and tell him "don't do that." He says "That was a bad call!" Maybe should have whacked there. Coach B says "That makes up for the last one on us. These guys have been bad all night." I regret not whacking him there. Any thoughts? My goal for the year has been to improve coach communication because people around here don't seem to serve up t's like I do and I'd really like to keep moving up, but I don't think I should have let this go.

Coach B should've been whacked. Without question.

I'm with Rich.

Coach B gets a tech, and Coach A gets zero rope from here on out.

If it's at end of gamecandcyou don't want to delay it..or if you just don't want give the T, tell him "and we're still the best team out here."

Or if you really want to zing him,

"I'm only as good as the players playing. They are only as good as their coach..NO wonder this is a shit game..."

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It is great that you aim to "improve coach communications" as you stated; however, that sitch does not provide a best paradigm in which to do so mainly because it required you to adjudicate a situation [i.e., the sets of disdainful remarks by A and B Coaches] that can never be prevented from re- occuring--despite the rightousness of said call. Those coaches have "learned on their part" that you are not a ref to be taken umbrage with--in essence communicating via T. Yet, given the value of your aim to become better, may I ask you: I thought B Coach's remark was more acerbic despite him just saying 'one' remark as compared to two; what are your fundamental criteria for imposing a T?

Paradigm, disdainful,umbrage, acerbic,....U couldnt have learned that in Kansas. :) Speak English...Like your talking to a 6th grader please (for me) (That comes from "Philadelphia." Great movie. ).

I would have told them both that the only way they could continue to coach the game was if they provided me with a list, including phone numbers, of all their team's hot moms. :cool:

Pretty much this, although I'd be really tempted to whack a coach that talks about my partners that way.

My tolerance for crap from coaches has gone way down this year for whatever reason. My association as a whole lets coaches talk far too much. I for one don't think it's all that unreasonable for adults to behave like adults at a youth sporting event.

I've never minded a coach making a statement about a call. "That was a bad call" just said to me and not yelled is not worthy of my attention. Attacking personally i.e. what the B coach said, yep, issue the T. And I totally agree with the last poster about coaches talking to much. This is the only sport where coaches think they can talk non stop. If that happened in baseball, softball, volleyball at a scholastic level we would have ejections out the ying yang

If he says "That's a bad call" to my face after I've told him to stop jumping up and down in exasperation, he's getting whacked. If he turns and mutters it to his bench, then I'm probably ignoring it.

The other night during a game, while I was the center and standing in front of a team's bench, the coach said to one of his players "don't foul the second time, they'll see that. They didn't see the first foul, but they will see the second."

Which led to the following exchange...

Me: (without turning to look at the coach) "Coach, don't do that."
Coach: "Do what?"
Me: "Say something like that right in front of me."
Coach: "I can say what I want to my players."
Me: "Not right in front of me you can't."

This ended things because the ball was stolen and went on a fast break the other way.

I don't care whether the coach is yelling or talking in a normal tone of voice. I'm just as concerned about WHAT they say as I am in HOW they say it.

"Oh, i saw the first foul, i just didnt call it on them because i dont like you....". Dont say that--you could say, "Well, i'd like to think id get the second one but the way things are going chances are i wont see that one either..."

A few centuries ago, I was working with a guy who, during a timeout, got yelled at by a coach about the difference in team fouls. The coach yelled something like, "How come we have so many fouls and they hardly have any?" He was obviously ticked off.

My partner answered, "Because their team hardly commits any fouls and your team commits a lot. I'm sure it's the coaching - or lack thereof."

The coach pretty much shut up after that.

Were you working with me last night? Almost the same exact conversation, only it went like this:

Coach: Why did you see there, I thought she got all ball? (politely asked)
Me: I didn't see her hand on the ball, but I did see her whack her arm.
Coach: Really?
Me: Thats why I had coach
Coach: Well halftime we can go watch the film if you want to.
Me: Coach, don't do that. We had a good conversation up until that point.
Coach: Dont do what?
Me: Really? (seem appropriate given his earlier comment)

I don't really think this or Bryans is bad. Tell him to bring the popcorn. I don't think it warrants a "coach don't do that." Makes you sound wound tight. Just my opinion.

You KNEW you should have. All you have is next time. Was HE ARGUING calls??? He proved you should have as HIS behavior escalated and YOU still didn't. Be as Good As Your Next Game.

Sounds to me like you were over sensitive on this. It's no secret that refs miss calls and when they do, and the victim often get caught retaliating. Unless there was more context to this, I don't see this as a coach criticizing so much as getting his player to play smarter. As a coach, I might say something very much like this to a player, even if I didn't think thevref missed a foul -- I would want to change the player's behavior, and to do that it doesn't matter whether the first foul was a foul or not if the player feels it was.

Nothing the coach said crossed any line. Bryan should've not even acknowledged it.

In and of itself.. No, it's not a problem.

But 1) he'd been complaining about not calling illegal screens where neither myself, my partners, or the guy evaluating us, saw even one. And 2) it was clearly a way to complain yet again to me about not getting a call. Passive-aggressive crap if you will. And that type of thing is unnecessary.

It's no different IMO than a coach flat-out looking at you and saying "that was a bad call." Maybe not t-worthy, but not something I'm going to ignore either.

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You should. Answer questions, not statements.

The more I think about it the more I think you're right. I should have let it go. I just didn't like how he did it while literally standing right next to me. Seemed like a real BS move.

But we're supposed to be the bigger men, so...

He said it for your benefit, of course.

I've come to realize it doesn't matter. During games, I carry a whistle, he doesn't.

I'd completely ignore this comment. Even if it was said for your benefit, it's a valid coaching point.

I would have probably done the same thing. Alternative response, "Watch all the tape you want, coach, just don't bring it up in this game."

Coach: I'll send you the film.

Official: Will you include an apology?

Didn't read the rest. You probably should have.

A couple of decades ago during a summer league game, the foul total in the first half was: Red: 16, and White: 4. The Red Coach was, obviously, not happy about the officiating. The Red Coach in a not too happy tone of voice asked me what he should tell his players about the foul totals, to which I immediately answered: "Don't foul!"

MTD, Sr.