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Adam Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:31am
The biggest problem with this practice is it's best if only used by experienced officials who actually know what it means. That's not how it plays out, though. In reality, people get a hold of the theory and don't know what it means, so then they start doing stupid crap like evening up the foul count.

just another ref Sat Jan 14, 2017 01:56pm
Worrying about the foul count is the worst thing, I agree. It's usually all about the playing style of the teams. I had a game several years ago that at the end of the first quarter home was ahead 22-4. The foul count was home 7, visitors 0.

But looking at a block charge play and considering the last play before making the call is not far behind, in my opinion.

BigCat Sat Jan 14, 2017 02:34pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 997413)
Worrying about the foul count is the worst thing, I agree. It's usually all about the playing style of the teams. I had a game several years ago that at the end of the first quarter home was ahead 22-4. The foul count was home 7, visitors 0.

But looking at a block charge play and considering the last play before making the call is not far behind, in my opinion.
I think you certainly should consider/be aware of the previous block charge play. Does not mean screw it up just because I did earlier. Two wrongs certainly doesn't make it right. But if mine was 50/50 and yours is also 50/50 , meaning could go either way, (those do exist) involving other team, be good if you had similar call.

I think Rich and Adam are right that there's potential for screwup and best used by experienced officials.

OKREF Sat Jan 14, 2017 03:04pm
Maybe this will help the original poster, it's not evening up the foul count, but more in line with being consistent. I had an evaluater at a camp tell me this a few years ago.

If an official calls a foul, then contact on the other end that is equal to or greater than what was just called should be called. If an official passes on a foul, contact that is less or equal to what was just passed on should be passed on.

This evaluater was talking about being consistent as a crew.

BigCat Sat Jan 14, 2017 03:11pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 997418)
Maybe this will help the original poster, it's not evening up the foul count, but more in line with being consistent. I had an evaluater at a camp tell me this a few years ago.

If an official calls a foul, then contact on the other end that is equal to or greater than what was just called should be called. If an official passes on a foul, contact that is less or equal to what was just passed on should be passed on.

This evaluater was talking about being consistent as a crew.
I agree with that but the plays have to be the same. Contact on a dribbler on one end needs to be same as on dribbbler on other end. Can't compare contact allowed on dribbler or posting up to contact on a shooter. I know you know that.

OKREF Sat Jan 14, 2017 03:11pm
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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 997419)
I agree with that but the plays have to be the same. Contact on a dribbler on one end needs to be same as on dribbbler on other end. Can't compare contact allowed on dribbler or posting up to contact on a shooter. I know you know that.
Correct.

Adam Sat Jan 14, 2017 03:14pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 997418)
Maybe this will help the original poster, it's not evening up the foul count, but more in line with being consistent. I had an evaluater at a camp tell me this a few years ago.

If an official calls a foul, then contact on the other end that is equal to or greater than what was just called should be called. If an official passes on a foul, contact that is less or equal to what was just passed on should be passed on.

This evaluater was talking about being consistent as a crew.
I would change this. Equal contact doesn't always have equal effect, even if both plays are dribblers.

Rich Sat Jan 14, 2017 04:57pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 997418)
Maybe this will help the original poster, it's not evening up the foul count, but more in line with being consistent. I had an evaluater at a camp tell me this a few years ago.



If an official calls a foul, then contact on the other end that is equal to or greater than what was just called should be called. If an official passes on a foul, contact that is less or equal to what was just passed on should be passed on.



This evaluater was talking about being consistent as a crew.

Advantage/disadvantage means there can be considerable contact without a foul called. Can also mean that a small amount of contact is a foul because of the effect on the play.

I think that games take on a certain feel or character and the thing is you don't want to make a call or pass on a call out of line with how the game is being called.

This is the art of officiating and it's easier said than done.


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