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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 01:41pm
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Legal guarding position is not always necessary to avoid a blocking foul. Every player is entitled to his position on the court as long as he achieves it without illegally contacting an opponent. (or something like that).
Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first
without illegally contacting an opponent.


So it's a player control foul on A1?

But:

Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving
into an opponent’s torso.
a. A player who is moving with the ball is required to stop or change direction
to avoid contact if a defensive player has obtained a legal guarding position
in his/her path.


Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an
offensive opponent ... After the initial legal guarding position is obtained:
The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent ...


Am I missing something here? Like the boat?
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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 02:49pm
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Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first
without illegally contacting an opponent.


So it's a player control foul on A1?

But:

Charging is illegal personal contact caused by pushing or moving
into an opponent’s torso.
a. A player who is moving with the ball is required to stop or change direction
to avoid contact if a defensive player has obtained a legal guarding position
in his/her path.


Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an
offensive opponent ... After the initial legal guarding position is obtained:
The guard is not required to continue facing the opponent ...


Am I missing something here? Like the boat?


10-7
ART. 7

A dribbler shall neither charge into nor contact an opponent in his/her path nor attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/ her to go through without contact.
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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 02:59pm
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Legally Obtain A Defensive Position ...

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10-7 ART. 7 A dribbler shall neither charge into nor contact an opponent in his/her path nor attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/ her to go through without contact.
ART 9 When a dribbler in his/her progress is moving in a straight-line path, he/she may not be crowded out of that path, but if an opponent is able to legally obtain a defensive position in that path, the dribbler must avoid contact by changing direction or ending his/her dribble.

How does a player legally obtain a defensive position?

To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
b. The front of the guard’s torso must be facing the opponent.


There has to be an easy answer to this situation? Right?

As just another ref stated earlier, it must be this:

Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first
without illegally contacting an opponent.
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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 03:09pm
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ART. 1

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

Legal guarding position must be obtained initially and movement thereafter must be legal.
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ART. 2

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

From this position, the defender may rise or jump vertically and occupy the space within his/her vertical plane.

ART. 3

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

The hands and arms of the defender may be raised within his/her vertical plane while on the floor or in the air.

ART. 4

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

The defender should not be penalized for leaving the floor *vertically or having his/her hands and arms extended within his/her vertical plane.

ART. 5

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

The offensive player whether on the floor or airborne, may not “clear out” or cause contact within the defender’s vertical plane, which is a foul.

ART. 6

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

The defender may not “belly up” or use the lower part of the body or arms to cause contact outside his/her vertical plane, which is a foul.

ART. 7

Verticality applies to a legal position. Following are the basic components of the principle of verticality:

The player with the ball is to be given no more protection or consideration than the defender in judging which player has violated the rules.
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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 03:12pm
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Legal Guarding Position ...

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Legal guarding position must be obtained initially and movement thereafter must be legal.
How is legal guarding position obtained initially ?

To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
b. The front of the guard’s torso must be facing the opponent.


B5 did nothing more than face the basket to get a possible rebound and ended up bloodied, sprawled on the basket stanchion. There has to be a simple rule to make this illegal? Right?

Can that simple rule be this: Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first
without illegally contacting an opponent.


Can it be that simple?
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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 03:17pm
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What did the player do illegally to get to the position he was in?
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Old Sun Jan 01, 2017, 03:21pm
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Torso ???

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What did the player do illegally to get to the position he was in?
The player's torso wasn't facing the opponent.

To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
b. The front of the guard’s torso must be facing the opponent.


Right?
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