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JRutledge Tue Dec 20, 2016 08:26pm

Charlotte @ Maryland plays (Video)
 
Play #1:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ve3aMrIHCD4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #2:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/NBztqpG08I4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #3:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/wegG3wmA2c8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #4:

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Peace

SC Official Tue Dec 20, 2016 08:35pm

I think all 4 are correct.

1) Dribble ends with left foot as pivot. Steps with right, left comes back down.
2) First bounce is not a controlled action.
3) Clear displacement.
4) Holding the defender (wiping-out) while rolling. Illegal.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 20, 2016 08:39pm

All calls should go against Maryland. :)

1. No travel
2. Not an illegal dribble.
3. Not a foul, but a quality acting job.
4. Illegal screen, which is followed by the defender holding. That's what the offensive player is complaining about, but his foul was first.

SNIPERBBB Tue Dec 20, 2016 08:41pm

#3 probably would of been a problem sans the elbow shove.

JRutledge Tue Dec 20, 2016 08:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 995386)
#3 probably would of been a problem sans the elbow shove.

I think that is why it was called. The officials has a great look at this and better than we have. I do believe he acted a little, but the contact was illegal in my opinion.

Peace

JRutledge Tue Dec 20, 2016 08:58pm

Play #5

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Peace

Camron Rust Wed Dec 21, 2016 02:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 995383)
I think all 4 are correct.

1) Dribble ends with left foot as pivot. Steps with right, left comes back down.
2) First bounce is not a controlled action.
3) Clear displacement.
4) Holding the defender (wiping-out) while rolling. Illegal.

Agree on all 4.

#3...chucked in the back. But, it could have been passed on as there was no possession consequence. The only reason to call it would be to clean up the game if things had been too rough.

#4...holding or not, the movement into the defender driving him away from the ball is enough for it to be an illegal screen.

SC Official Wed Dec 21, 2016 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 995429)
#3...chucked in the back. But, it could have been passed on as there was no possession consequence. The only reason to call it would be to clean up the game if things had been too rough.

This was my thought as well. But, I'd venture to say that I probably would have made the same call if I was the L.

deecee Wed Dec 21, 2016 09:11am

1) Maybe a travel, close to tell. I don't see it.
2) Not a double dribble
3) Good call with the POE for cleaning up rebound action
4) Good call

TriggerMN Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:29am

#1 I would pass on the travel, it's a game interrupter there and in real time IMHO the collection does not come before "step 1" of 3 in the travel sequence.

2,3,4 all correct.

#5 I don't think the lead can see the last contact of the ball by A1. It would be up to the C to come in and help out if he sees it.

Camron Rust Wed Dec 21, 2016 03:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriggerMN (Post 995474)
#1 I would pass on the travel, it's a game interrupter there and in real time IMHO the collection does not come before "step 1" of 3 in the travel sequence.

Both of your reasons for not calling that a travel are invalid.

Lose the term game interrupter. It only leads not calling the game as it is designed. The defense forces the travel, they deserve the ball.

As for "collection" (or gather, as it is more commonly called), that is not the point where the travel rules start.

By definition, a player that is in control of the ball is either holding or dribbling the ball. The dribble ends (and holding begins) when the ball comes to rest in one or both hands which usually happens well before "collection". At that moment, unless you deem the player has lost control, the player is holding the ball and the travel rules begin. There is no magical third status between dribbling and holding the ball.

JRutledge Wed Dec 21, 2016 03:42pm

Play #6: Added
 
Play #6: Injury situation

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Peace

JRutledge Wed Dec 21, 2016 03:43pm

This is why you referee the defense.
 
Play #7:

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Peace

Camron Rust Wed Dec 21, 2016 04:54pm

#6...I'd stop it on white's made basket. If they had stopped pressing towards a shot, I'd stop it then.
#7. Great call....defender kept moving into the airborne shooter.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 22, 2016 08:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 995499)
#6...I'd stop it on white's made basket. If they had stopped pressing towards a shot, I'd stop it then.
#7. Great call....defender help moving into the airborne shooter.

Agreed on both, with the caveat that I didn't watch the clips all the way through.

On #6 -- what if the shot had been missed? Stop play and go to the arrow? wait for a rebound and stop it? Wait for a rebound and if white gets it and ir's an immediate put-back or drive let that play happen?

I think FED has a pretty definitive case play on this, but I don't think NCAA does.

APG Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:26am

Most of these plays I'd rather speak about mechanics....

1. Correct official is making this call...too often the lead is making traveling calls in the post. This is the trail's bread and butter in this scenario. As a general teaching point I will say that the trail had no reason to back out like he did to above the 28....stay down and stay engaged in the play. One is more likely to call something on this play if he's not backing away from the play.

2. No teaching points...there's nothing to call on this play.

3. Good work by he lead official looking to find the widest players on his side...finding none and working inside. I think the trail may have bailed out instead of staying engaged and stepping down...this has been a mechanics POE for NCAA-M this year. As to the call...NCAA-M has a POE that wants physicality reduced with rebounding plays...meaning more rebounding fouls to be call not solely because of possession consequence but to clean up rough play...with the threshold for rough play being lowered.

4. High ball screen and roll...this is a two official play...something that has been officiated as such in the NBA for a while...and has been the mechanic for NCAA-M officials for at least 2 years. On this play, the on ball official (trail) has 1-2-3-4...meaning he has the dribbler (1), the on ball defender (2), the screener (3), and the defender of the screener (4). The second official has the reverse.... 4-3-2-1.

Strictly speaking I'd want the slot/center official getting this play...even depending on the lead's look I'd even even be okay with him getting this. But I will say it's a bit hard/difficult at times coming in as that slot officials that far out to call a foul there...lead too (assuming he had a look). I think the trail calls it correctly as an illegal screen...but it's not super obvious as the defender does hook his arm...action that would not be obvious to the trail but something that the slot/center could see.


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