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JRutledge Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:59am
Michigan @ UCLA Play (Video)
 
This was shown on something else, so I wanted to bring it here.

What do you think about this play?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/a6tGygfoobg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Rich Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:06pm
In my game, we're counting that and going intentional.

I don't work NCAA hoops, though.

bob jenkins Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:06pm
I have the foul (with the left hand, about waist high) as before the "gather."

Subsequent "fouls" with the right hand and the left hand about shoulder height were after the gather.

JRutledge Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich (Post 995246)
In my game, we're counting that and going intentional.

I don't work NCAA hoops, though.
The only difference in college is did he start his upward motion. I think most HS officials would have waved this off as well. ;)

Peace

Camron Rust Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:52pm
I'm counting it.....then intentional.

SC Official Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:55pm
The L looks like he's blowing his whistle on the initial bump from behind before the wrap up even happens.

Given that, I can understand how he ruled this before the act of shooting. That being said, I'm with Rich and Camron.

deecee Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:55pm
Im probably counting this at all levels. It was close and depends on what contact the official considered the foul.

Rich Mon Dec 19, 2016 03:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 995259)
The L looks like he's blowing his whistle on the initial bump from behind before the wrap up even happens.

Given that, I can understand how he ruled this before the act of shooting. That being said, I'm with Rich and Camron.
If that's what he's calling, then I'm not sure how it's an intentional personal foul. It's either intentional (then that part is the foul) or it's a common foul followed by a technical or nothing for the subsequent wrap-up.

Raymond Mon Dec 19, 2016 04:17pm
If this is the same play as on FB, there is a bump early that would be a common foul, and there is a wrap-up after the shooting motion begins that would be FF1 plus score the basket.

JRutledge Mon Dec 19, 2016 04:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 995272)
If this is the same play as on FB, there is a bump early that would be a common foul, and there is a wrap-up after the shooting motion begins that would be FF1 plus score the basket.
This is why you have a slow whistle. See all of the play and this call is easier to rule on IMO.

Peace

Adam Mon Dec 19, 2016 05:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 995273)
This is why you have a slow whistle. See all of the play and this call is easier to rule on IMO.

Peace
My thought, too. He committed to that early bump and waving off the shot, then decided to upgrade because of what happened during the shooting motion.

Rich is right, you either have the bump and nothing (I don't think I'd normally upgrade that wrap up if the ball was dead, but I'm not sure), or the basket and IF (FF1) here.

Rich Mon Dec 19, 2016 05:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 995272)
If this is the same play as on FB, there is a bump early that would be a common foul, and there is a wrap-up after the shooting motion begins that would be FF1 plus score the basket.


Sorry, I should said FF1 before - I know better.

Raymond Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich (Post 995277)
Sorry, I should said FF1 before - I know better.
Don't worry this is not Facebook, nobody here is that pedantic, I hope.

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SC Official Tue Dec 20, 2016 01:45am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich (Post 995271)
If that's what he's calling, then I'm not sure how it's an intentional personal foul. It's either intentional (then that part is the foul) or it's a common foul followed by a technical or nothing for the subsequent wrap-up.
Touché.


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