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JRutledge Thu Dec 01, 2016 08:35pm
Columbia @ Seton Hall (Video) Play
 
This is one we deal with often in many cases.

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VrefA Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:33pm
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With that being said I think this was more on the wrist than the hand and personally have a foul.

AremRed Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:03pm
Ball goes down, no foul. Ball goes up, foul. Ball went up.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 993994)
This is one we deal with often in many cases.

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Peace
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 993999)
Ball goes down, no foul. Ball goes up, foul. Ball went up.

Mark, Jr., and I were listening to this game on our way home from our game. And now we know that the officials got the call correct: FOUL!


AremRed:

Which direction the ball goes does not determine whether a foul was committed or not.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:28pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 993994)
This is one we deal with often in many cases.

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I have a foul. Obvious on 2nd replay and indicated by how the ball released.

JRutledge Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 994003)
I have a foul. Obvious on 2nd replay and indicated by how the ball released.
I have a foul as well.

Peace

ODog Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:48pm
Great get by the C!

On first viewing, I didn't see who whistled it and just assumed the straightlined L guessed in his PCA and got it right. Nope ... great job by both officials.

jpgc99 Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:51pm
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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 994006)
Great get by the C!

On first viewing, I didn't see who whistled it and just assumed the straightlined L guessed in his PCA and got it right. Nope ... great job by both officials.
Agree. At first view, I didn't think there was much there. On replay, this is definitely a foul and the C is the best person to come and get it. He has the best angle and is in the best position to see the foul. Great get.

bob jenkins Fri Dec 02, 2016 08:45am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 994002)
Which direction the ball goes does not determine whether a foul was committed or not.
Of course that's not the rule, but it can be a help in determining what happened. Just like viewing what the shooter's arm(s) do(es) after some potential contact.

crosscountry55 Fri Dec 02, 2016 02:55pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 994020)
Of course that's not the rule, but it can be a help in determining what happened. Just like viewing what the shooter's arm(s) do(es) after some potential contact.
Agree. Clues and indicators are valuable when it comes to judgment. Especially in a patient secondary whistle situation such as this one.

IncorrectCall Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:10am
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 993999)
Ball goes down, no foul. Ball goes up, foul. Ball went up.
+1. Physics 101!

jTheUmp Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:17pm
No good look from the original camera angle... from the replay angle, definite foul, and a great get by C. Can totally understand why L got straight-lined on it.

griblets Mon Dec 05, 2016 04:17pm
Newton's 4th Law?
 
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Originally Posted by IncorrectCall (Post 994162)
+1. Physics 101!
Is that Newton's long lost 4th Law? :confused:

Generally agreed, but not absolutely.

AremRed Mon Dec 05, 2016 04:39pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 994002)
AremRed:

Which direction the ball goes does not determine whether a foul was committed or not.
Not by itself, but it can be a good indicator.

Camron Rust Mon Dec 05, 2016 05:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 993999)
Ball goes down, no foul. Ball goes up, foul. Ball went up.
Quote:
Originally Posted by IncorrectCall (Post 994162)
+1. Physics 101!
Most of the time.

When the ball goes up and the arm doesn't, it is almost certainly a reliable indicator of a foul. But, when the ball goes down, it may be either. Getting the ball doesn't mean the defender didn't get the arm first.


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