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Technical on Inbounder
I had this happen over the weekend. I coach in Arizona and I have tried like hell to find the actual discussion and verbage in the rule book. My player inbounded the ball on a BLOBs situation and then sprinted to the corner and received a pass. Now he had established himself inbounds before he caught the ball. The ref "T's" him up and says he did not enter right away.
First, in my mind he entered, he just didn't step forward, instead he stepped diagnolly which is a straighter line and quicker line to where he was going. He did not run around the OB's line. Second, is this still a technical foul? I can't find this anywhere in the rule book and I've ran this play for 5 years and this is the first time I've ever gotten a kid T'd up. Any help is appreciated. |
It is a technical foul for the thrower to not immediately return to the playing court. It's a judgment call for the definition, but my first question is just how far your player ran out of bounds before he came back in.
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First: BLOP? What is that?
Second: by rule, it is a technical foul for the thrower in staying and delaying returning to the playing floor. Whether the officials were correct or not, video would only prove |
Player must enter the court directly. They cannot hang out of bounds or run around out of bounds to create an advantage.
Without seeing it who knows what the officials judged the action to be, but he/she does have support to call a T. It is not called very common, but I have seen it called. It is also not about running a play, it is about the execution. Peace |
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By rule offical was likely correct. Need to see video to be certain. If your kid runs out of bounds length of baseline, then steps in I'm likely to blow whistle |
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But, I'm not sure it's a violation to delay returning to the court afger legally being out of bounds. |
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Class B technical foul under NCAA-M rules |
I called this just last year. The thrower ran out of bounds around his screening teammate and got a pass for a wide open shot.
If the player returns to the court in an unfairly advantageous position (which is what the rule is intended to prevent), I don't give a warning. If (s)he doesn't gain any advantage from not going directly back inbounds, I'll warn him/her at the next opportunity not to do it again. |
Let's Go To The Videotape ...
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of bounds. 10.3.2 SITUATION A: A1 has the ball out of bounds for a throw-in. A1 completes the throw-in to A2 and then purposefully delays his/her return by taking four or five steps along the end line prior to coming inbounds behind a screen set by A3 and A4. A1 gets a return pass from A2 and takes an unchallenged try for goal. RULING: A1 is charged with a technical foul for purposefully delaying his/her return to the court following the throw-in. A1’s movement out of bounds along the end line was to take advantage of the screen and return to the court in a more advantageous position. |
He does not delay entering. He does however probably take one maybe two steps in which he could be "partially running out of bounds. I mean it is literally an OB's play where we make a pass to sideline top, he sprints to the corner for a pass and shot. By the time he catches it, he has already established himself and it's not running down the Baseline out of bounds and then stepping in.
I do appreciate the person who actually cited the rule book. However what rule book is that? I have looked up and down the NFHS rule book for 2016-17 and can't find this at all. I did find a few things back in 07-08 where it said if you go out of bounds legally, and delay coming back in to gain an advantage it's a T. However that says nothing about a throw-in and if you don't take your first step in bounds it's a technical. Here's a link to the play. https://app.krossover.com/r/2fog |
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It's possible that the sections have changed a bit since this rule was re-organized. Viewing the video, the official was over-zealous in making this call. imo, of course. |
With so much to concentrate on and watch in a game, I'm not calling this. IMO, OOO.
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Billy, you need to note when you are using an outdated reference. |
I'd rather see a call on White 10 for an illegal screen.
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There was a potential for an illegal screen, but the player being screened didn't really seem to care about being screened, so I've got nothing there.
What age level is this game? I'm guessing 8th/9th grade based on the fact that the game seems to be taking place in a back/side gym. If that's the case, that means you're almost certainly dealing with newer, less-experienced officials. Assuming newer officials, this has all the markings of the classic new official "I just read about this in the rule book the other day and now I'm going to call it so everyone knows I know the rules" call. I'd wager that most of the posters here went through that phase; I know I definitely did. |
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So if the Inbounder runs almost the entire length of the Endline, while out of bounds, before coming back inbounds, you are going to let him/her do that every time? MTD, Sr. |
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In that 07 reference, "going out of bounds legally" includes being out of bounds for a throw in. |
Thank you for sharing coach. This is not a T. This isnt even a warning to the player.
That screen is more of a problem yet as spoken about probably wouldnt be called. I think you will fine except if you have that referee who is (snip) overzealous. |
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Appreciate all the feedback guys. When he gave my player the T, I asked for an explanation. His explanation was he did not "immediately enter" after he threw the ball in. I asked him if he's saying my player has to step immediately forward and only forward? Or could he take a step diagonally in the direction he was headed. As you can see from the video he takes one, maybe one in a half steps out of bounds but is by no means trying to delay or deceive what he's doing. He told me "it's in the rule book" and that it says he must "immediately enter". When i asked if the book states what direction he said yes. I stopped right there because I knew better.
I'm not here to flame officials. I am a coach that likes to chirp, but at the end of the day I get a long with most, if not all of them. This guy I've had before and it seems he likes to watch one kid and just hammer him. Not sure why. Anyways, I agree about the screen. If my player would understand who he was screening in the first place it wouldn't be an issue. As you can tell he starts to go screen the middle of the zone and last second remembers he's supposed to screen the bottom wing. Oh well. Thanks everyone. |
I think it's not a good call, but I have that said about me all the time.
The rest of the stuff just isn't necessary and isn't going to happen here. 2-person crew, huh? Amazing how in the last 5 years we've gone from the stone ages here to where I will never work another 2-person game. |
I agree with the general sense that this was a "gottcha" call. Technically correct (no pun intended)? Yes. But not a call I would make.
As a coach, you could probably run this play another hundred times without it being called. One message I'd pass to your player: not all technicals are unsporting, this being one of them. No stigma need be attached to the call. |
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And I'll simply add that all the moderators seem to be on the same page. |
And now that I've seen the play, a word of advice, coach:
Forget about this call. Don't have your players adjust, don't adjust the play itself. There's a reason you aren't getting this called in other games. Like I said in my previous post, he's either misjudging the play or misunderstanding the rule. This doesn't even fit into a technical violation of the rule. If you have this guy again and he makes the call again, then I would send a video to the state and ask for clarification. Let the state decide whether or not to address it with the official, nothing good will come if you try during a game. |
It's a 2-person game and I'm guessing the official thinks the player did something that he didn't do. Always dangerous when you guess.
I don't think it's anything more. |
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Or, the opposing team put a bug in the official's ear about the "illegal inbounds play "they" always run." |
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Always Listen To bob ...
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Or what if the official just isn't that good?
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You're willing to go there because of one call? Glad to see you're still as perfect as ever. |
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So don't. |
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