Preseason T predictions?
 

I was reading the archives, and in 2014, some people made predictions on number of T's they'd give out based on previous years. I was curious how many per year you usually give out? I do a lot of weekend tourneys and adult wreck league, so that ups my number a lot. Strictly JV/V games, I'd say I give out somewhere between 4-8 a year. I'm guessing I'll be in that range this year, hopefully less as the coaches get to know me in the leagues around here and figure out what I will/won't tolerate.

Giant what was your favorite last year in HS? I dont put up with much but typically they know that and I dont have to give many in HS. I love hearing yours.. spill it!

Had a coach whining about every call, so we got to know his voice real well-- it was a high screechy voice. We're at the other end (first half), and it's a small gym and he screams at the top of his lungs "CALL THE FOUL!!!!" I wasn't looking at him, but I knew it was him, turned and whacked him. Walked over to let my partners know what I had, and one goes "that's pretty ballsy with the no-look T, but he earned that one and I was on my way up with the T also." That was the first and last time I'll whack someone without having 100% visual support that it was him, because of the off chance that he has a brother or middle school child in the stands with the same voice. We had a good laugh about it while watching the film on the way to our next game, because my reaction time was impressive. Anyone else have a good one from last year?

I'm sure it's just me and because I'm old but something doesn't sit well with me talking about and predicting Ts etc on a forum. I'm not going to say it's wrong but I'm not a fan of it. To each his own...I do think talking about what conduct does and doesn't deserve a T is important and helpful.

As many as necessary.

Exactly
 

I can go days, weeks, or months without giving one, and then give several in a game or a week. I don't count, average it out, or predict.

Whatever is earned, is what I award!

I don't remember and I don't predict

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I remember all the T's I've called the past couple seasons. Maybe it means I haven't called enough? :rolleyes:

But I agree with you. TCOB when you have to.

I hope that I don't have any!

Most good Ts call themselves and help everyone. Helps a coach start coaching instead of distracting. Helps us focus on the game instead of when to give it. Helps the kids focus on playing rather then complaining. When you vets who are so good at where and when to call a T it helps everyone here who isnt posting focus on their line in the sand to help their judgement on when its good and when its bad. Every bad T you talk about here helps someone NOT call a bad T. Every good T you call here helps someone not experience 10x before just calling it and making it a better game. Thanks Giant for sharing. Whats wrong with the rest of you.. give some more examples!

I was at the Big Mtn Jam in SLC had a two local teams and one team was thin and talented and one was a bully and had trouble controlling their bodies.

The foul count is clearly different. Most of the calls was Red running into players. In the 2nd half a girl on say Red dives for a loose ball and takes out the legs of a white player from behind. The white player falls on the red player and hits her head and my partner calls the foul on Red. Red coach figures it out he goes nuts. He wants a foul on white for falling on his girl.

We pick up the pieces and move on and now Red is down 2 points white has the ball and here comes a tired girl and runs right into a white player and we have been in the bonus for some time. Coach jumps on the bench and goes banana's. He comes at me and I calming server him some T. When he realizes he has the T he turns away and yells ******* and he is gone. They had a chance to win the game but after 6 throws and the ball it was game over. Kills me how selfish coaches are when their kids can still win a game.

Helping newer guys who visit draw the lines in fact it has helped me for years reading everything you guys say and talk about.

Thanks for the comments and everything you do to help those who visit this awesome forum.

For us around here it depends on the quality of the games.

The last couple of years the 2A schools on the girls side have all been pretty good, and boys have been down but all of them have been down. I find in those cases we don't see many. I often find when there is 1 or 2 very good teams in a league/conference and weaker teams you get more high emotion high conflict sort of games.

The example I will use is the 1A games in our area we have 2 girls teams and 1 boys team that is dramatically better than the rest of the league for a few years. None of the other programs seem to be building just happy to compete with each other and complain about having to play these programs. Meanwhile the top schools always feel like playing the weaker schools isn't a positive experience. These are the games that can get chippy, where emotions run high, where" how" the game is being officiated seems to be a much more emotional deal for someone. I tend to end up with more T situations in those games.

We don't have any 3A schools in our region but when they come for games I very rarely have problems as they know why they are there.

I'm not saying the level of school matters I've had great 1A games and 2A or 3A games that were gong shows. But if everyone in the game is at a competitive level even if that level is bad we don't see a lot of it, even in rivalry games. If you get matchups where both people resent being in the game, anything that happens either way that can be perceived as upsetting seems to tip the apple cart in those games.

Do you have an example of a T you had to call in one of these chippy games?

I never make predictions. I'm more opposed to goals, though, than predictions.

It would be glorious, I suppose, if everyone behaved themselves for an entire season, but setting goals or hopes means I'll be disappointed when I have to make the call.

I do, however, hope for zero travels this year.

As few as possible... as many as necessary.

Optimist ...
 

Hope springs eternal. (Alexander Pope, An Essay on Man, 1732)

Last year I had a fight in one of the first games of the season. Some kid decided to wait about a quarter and a half into his high school basketball career before he threw a punch. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

I remember setting a goal for myself last year to have zero technical fouls on coaches. It was a goal mainly to make myself be a better communicator and continue to learn how to talk with coaches to calm them down, etc.

I made it to February before I had a T on a coach. The guy definitely earned it though so I couldn't be that mad about not hitting my goal. This year I don't know that I'll set a goal for a number...I think I'll continue to work on communicating with the coaches.

In a sense, coach technical fouls should almost call themselves. We let them toe the line and, again in a sense, it should be fairly obvious when they cross that line and earn themselves the tech.

Pretty standard fair for the most part:

Team is out matched and as game goes on egos get bruised. Game gets chippy/ kids chirp and/ losing-winning coach complains about the way the game is being called and its impact on the outcome etc.

A couple of more colourful examples though.

*Double header at a private school. Boys game is going to be huge one. Girls game prior is ugly. V is up 30 early in the 2nd quarter. V coach empties the bench and game becomes much more even. V16 is probably more a manager than a player but is getting big minutes. Rowdy H student section led by what appears to be the hockey/football team getting ready for boys game notices before she shoots free throws that she adjusts straps on fitted Durant style shoes. Everytime she catches the ball the section starts yelling your shoes are untied. Continues in the 2nd half kid is clearly rattled and eventually coach takes her out. Group containing some starters comes in and goes on a quick 8-0 run to push lead to 45+. Girl who hits three turns to H student section leader and says "How about you stop yelling sh%& at my teammate, and I'll tell your gf to keep pretending to yell about your d$%(?"


*2A league game. Home team overmatching the Vistors by about 25+ late in the 3rd Home defense is keeping V frustrated. H coach seems hot about something and is talking to my partner post timeout. We resume play a couple of trips later there is collision between offensive V and defending home player. Bang Bang both players go down hard. My partner comes up with a block. A clipboard hits the floor hard on the H side. I approach the H bench with the Head Coach picking up the clipboard and sitting down. I inform him that he has to keep bench and himself under control. He responds: " I will take care of them if you do something about him. He hasn't called a charge since we got up 15 its been all blocks or no calls. When I talked to him about it he said I can't expect to get that many of those calls. I will take care of my bench if you can stop him from cheating my kids."

So T's on either of these or nothing?

Definitely T's on both. We ended up tossing the girl when she argued the T.

Do you think you should have just whacked him when he threw the clipboard and not given him a chance to show his ass further?

Were they bad block/charge calls? If I didn't T him up for the clipboard there's absolutely no way I'm Ting him up for what he said. Just diffuse it.


I wouldn't even want to T the girl in the first place(not that I wouldn't), let alone toss her for not liking the T. Did she punch you? Lol


I don't predict my T count for the year. About the only thing I do is try to never have a situation where I have to give a T. If someone really wants one.... then I'll oblige. It's so much easier to just shut coaches/players up early instead of letting them boil.

Like most things I would rather call what I see happen rather than what I think happened.

Did he most likely fire his clipboard to the ground ticked off? Probably. I didn't see it though and to just hear noise and see the after math isn't enough for me to T. If I toss a T and find out some manager kicked over the equipment pile I'm in a real mess.

The approach and warning generically covers the situation so that if its nothing we can just move on, if its something it will now be something.

At the point he says cheating that basically becomes automatic in our part of Rome!

Not defending the coach at all, but my partner that night is a bit of a cowboy and does and says some stuff thats not my style but seems to work for him. All of the calls he had were stuff where you had to have something. Most not in my primary, I know that I called a couple of charges and there were also a lot of no calls on stuff I was responsible for. Again the defense was tough on on just about every drive try there was a body contact between the driver and help defense.

The one he called that caused the clipboard to fly I was more likely to no call. Dribbler picked up the ball at the point of contact and reverse pivoted to pass. No one was getting cheated.

After game partner said he told him that "you can't get every call, even in a game like this".


In terms of the girl. I asked my partner to pay a little more attention to the student section and if it ever crossed a line we could get game management involved. I T'd her up and she stormed off. My partner T'd her on the walk away apparently said "Who's he . .. his fu%^ing dad?"

Is this a serious question Todd? You have been working long enough to know that this is unacceptable...in both cases (although I think you get the coach for throwing the clipboard).

Make sense, thanks.

I doubt his reason for asking is because he doesn't know what he'd do in either situation.

I know Big T personally and I asked my question because I know that he should know better without asking...