Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 992300)

For funsies, no one see this as a fighting act, worthy of flagrant fouls and disqualification?

Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 992300)

For funsies, no one see this as a fighting act, worthy of flagrant fouls and disqualification?

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 992320)

As described? No.

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 992324)

Agree. The definition of fighting involves a combative act such as a kick, punch, strike…things of that nature. A mutual shove does not rise to this level.

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 992334)

To be fair, it was a decent question as we can flagrant without any contact or attempt of it. Yeah the pushing is something, but who knows what provoked them.

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 992127)

I brought this situation up because i dont like the fact that because the ball was live our only choices are double intentional fouls or flagrant. Flagrant is too severe for the situation im envisioning and double personals isnt severe enough.

Id like to have the option to call it a T. Player might change attitude knowing he gets another he is ejected and suspended. As a practical matter, if a player acts up again after we call the double personal we can just call that flagrant and toss him. I havnt thought too deeply about it but not sure why they dont allow us to call double Ts.

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 992403)

As this play is described it could never be a technical foul.

4.19.5 A technical foul is

a. A foul by a non player
b. A noncontact foul by a player
c. An intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead, except a foul by an airborne shooter
d. A direct technical, charged to the head coach...in 10.6
e. An indirect technical charged to the head coach...in 10.5

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 992304)

Well, im pretty sure im the only referee who saw it...and no, it did not rise to a fighting act. It was BS but nothing id toss somebody over. Now, I would have liked to have called double Ts but that wasnt an option.

I used the phrase "shoved each other with attitude" because I was trying to describe something that wasnt flagrant but was more than a regular foul. Can a shove be a fighting act? Sure, but just because there was a shove doesnt mean it was a fighting act. You would have to actually...see it. Thx

Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 992406)

So to clarify: You did NOT have two players square up to one another and then push each other, playground-style, with two pairs of arms extended? Was this just a "get off me" kind of thing?