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bballref3966 Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:46am

I've used the finger swirlie for basket interference before, even though it's unapproved. Not saying I should, just saying I have.

I've never used it to indicate a free throw missed the ring.

bob jenkins Thu Oct 20, 2016 01:33pm

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 992144)
How/why has the "finger swirlie" persisted for such a long time ?

Because to some ways of thinking, every violation needs a signal.

It's much like how hooking, tripping, hit to the head etc. were not in the NCAA book but were still used -- despite the admonition to "use only approved signals."

Then, one year they were added with the explanation "Information and aids communication and some officials have been using them and they are good." -- Well, if officials weren't using the "unapproved" signals, we never would have known how good they were.

Kansas Ref Thu Oct 20, 2016 01:41pm

Well-stated, thanks BJ.

APG Thu Oct 20, 2016 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 992157)
Because to some ways of thinking, every violation needs a signal.

It's much like how hooking, tripping, hit to the head etc. were not in the NCAA book but were still used -- despite the admonition to "use only approved signals."

Then, one year they were added with the explanation "Information and aids communication and some officials have been using them and they are good." -- Well, if officials weren't using the "unapproved" signals, we never would have known how good they were.

This year, at least 3 signals on the men's side were added that fit what you're saying

Raymond Thu Oct 20, 2016 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 992161)
This year, at least 3 signals on the men's side were added that fit what you're saying

Except for the cylinder/vertically foul. That signal comes from Australian Rules Football.

crosscountry55 Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:22pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 992161)
This year, at least 3 signals on the men's side were added that fit what you're saying


I love this. To me, if an unapproved signal improves communication with a coach, I'm all for it. Perhaps a high school table won't understand it, but I really don't care because all I need to make sure they know is color and number.

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 992163)
Except for the cylinder/vertically foul. That signal comes from Australian Rules Football.


It's only a matter of time!




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