Jake Layman.....T or not ???? And don't forget the double dribble
 

Do you agree with the T.....I personally think he double dribbles first. Spent 5 1/2 years in College Park....AHHHHH wish the Vous was still around.....

I saw this one on TV. Yes it was an illegal dribble but unless the new L is the Flash, no way he can get there to see it. And it was a good T imo. When will players learn you can't hang on the ring like that?

It was certainly a missed double dribble...
And it was a incorrect T - you are allowed to hang onto the rim if your momentum in completing the dunk swings you off balance. IF you pull yourself up - WHACK! That did not happen here.

He swung himself off balance to showboat.

You may wish to read the actual rule. Actually, you probably don't care.

OR...he's not actually an official and doesn't know what the rule book looks like. :eek:

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In this fastbreak situation, the MD player does not know if another KU defender is coming from behind to block the shot. The MD player goes up to the goal strong, dunks it with 2-hands, and his momentum swings him forward.

IMO, the MD player needs to be given a chance to get his body vertical to land on the court on his 2 feet without injuring himself; only he would know what his body is capable to land safely. He didn't "chin-up", lift his knees emphatically, or rock back & forth multiple times; his arms stayed extended through one swing "to prevent an obvious injury to self or others."

His decision to hang on the rim and swing his legs up is what creates a potential danger. If he simply dunked the ball and let go of the rim, his body would never become parallel to the floor creating the potential danger.

I agree with the technical foul here.

He looks right, then looks over his left shoulder because he didn't know if anyone had come up behind him there. Then he comes down.

The key word in the rule is "judgment" as it pertains to what is excessive and emphatic, and that's even assuming the official was 100% convinced he was not attempting to avoid injury to himself or others.

This incident was marginally excessive/emphatic, and I'm neither convinced now, nor was I convinced in real time, that the dunker wasn't trying to prevent injury to self or others.

I respectfully disagree with the call based on the wording of the rule.

I don't believe he was showboating....but devil's advocate here....If he simply dunks the ball and doesn't grasp the ring at all, none of this is an issue.

I can see both sides, but personally I didn't like the T here.

I did not like the T for this reason and this reason only. We see that all the time and no one has said that is something that needs to be called. Otherwise I can live with it, but would like to know if that is the standard. I see that dunk all the time and no one even the opponent bats an eye. But the double dribble is something I understand why missed as it is a quick steal. it should have been called, but I bet it was no easily seen.

Peace

I have to agree with JRutledge's point. Let it go or call it more often. If they don't grab the rim, then they don't have to swing. Simple:D

We have to remember all these officials are being paid by someone else this time of year.
While conferences may not necessarily want this called in February, I'm guessing the NCAA wants it called in March. Hell, the NCAA probably wants it called in February, but they have more control now.

There's nothing about this dunk that tells me he was in danger of being injured if he hadn't hung on the rim to begin with.

The problem for me is he didn't just drop straight down when he got steady. He twisted and held on with one hand before letting go.

I agree with this and I do not think it is a horrible decision. I just would like something to support that decision more. It was certainly in the ball park, but it did not stand out as a "slam dunk" call if you get my drift (pun intended). I have not seen this kind of situation addressed in all the videos (I might have to review them again). It is certainly a 50/50 call at best.

Peace

I probably would have passed on this, but I'm not up in arms over calling it either.

However, no player has to dunk the ball. Nor do they have to grasp the ring while doing so. If the player can't just dunk the ball then they shouldn't be doing it. Lay the ball in and get back on defense.

I look at this as an opposing player or coach. You dunk the ball, hang etc and u get two points. I or my players didn't stop u. If u hang on rim I don't care. U scored. I don't complain as opposing coach because it isn't a competitive advantage etc. now, if u shatter backboard and prolong game that's different.

Similarly, I don't like the assistant coaches in pre game saying other team dunked. As a player and coach and as an R, I tell those folks they will have to win game on floor. I never pushed that stuff and book errors as a player or coach and I don't like seeing others push it now. Old school I suppose.

Which other rules do you ignore?

The rules is there for a reason. I will enforce it as desired by the folks who control my assignments.

I understand your perspective as a coach, but as an official, I frankly don't care.

This is why I believe the T was called and is correct, in my opinion. The players legs swung up as much as they did because he grabbed the rim. He didn't do a pull up but he did intentionally hang on the rim.

He never said he ignores any rule. He said he doesn't like when coaches or players try to get a cheap T on the other team. Esp if some asst wants a pregame T for dunking. If I didn't see it, it didn't happen, no matter what they say.

Contrary to sometimes popular opinion, an official can disagree with a rule but still enforce it.

The ones where your asst coach/bench stands up, or yells 3 seconds :p

The official was wrong in this case. As a former player I have been in this situation before. Let go of rim, landed off balance and my head hit the floor. Concussion.

All these "automatic" / "directives" are ruining the game. Officials are not being allowed to use judgement and becoming part of the discussion on every play.

Yes, I agree. My post was a ramble after a long, aggravating day with a chainsaw. Im probably a little more lenient with these calls but if you called it a T I wouldn't and couldn't say you were wrong. My ramble/rant wasn't really relevant to anything.

Well, I'm rambling again. Probably because I have to do battle with chainsaw again today....

There is a dunk at the 4:57 mark left in the 1st half tonight by Nova. Play appears basically identical with a little less swing but a rim pull down. Don't see a significant difference beyond the fact that No T was called.

Looked like the Nova player thought he was getting one. He spun around with hands up but it was KU calling timeout.

I thought the same thing.

I thought he was getting one, too. Before I realized it was a timeout, I was thinking this most have been a tournament POE.

I think on this dunk you can make a case for the player not wanting to come down on the KU player. There is a defender in the area.

This.