Texas A+M / UNI
 

Since the last post seemed to go off topic, I'll try to start something different here.

1. The last possession UNI had in the backcourt, where the player got trapped in the corner. Really tough play to officiate in my opinion. The C came down to help, Trail came across the court to get into position. I think there was a bump that was missed as the UNI player was going out of bounds, but wow, that was intense and hard to call anything one way or the other. Any thoughts on if this could have been handled any differently?

2. I thought this was a good example of a game that demonstrates why advancing the ball to the half court line (as with the NBA) should not be done in college. UNI was definitely constrained by being in the backcourt.

Looked like a push by B3 to me.

I agree about advancing the ball, which is to the 28-foot foot line not division line. That excitement doesn't happen with that rule.

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[QUOTE=packersowner;984806]Since the last post seemed to go off topic, I'll try to start something different here.

1. The last possession UNI had in the backcourt, where the player got trapped in the corner. Really tough play to officiate in my opinion. The C came down to help, Trail came across the court to get into position. I think there was a bump that was missed as the UNI player was going out of bounds, but wow, that was intense and hard to call anything one way or the other. Any thoughts on if this could have been handled any differently?

My post is below:

The player should have stood tall/strong with the ball instead of leaning away and allowing the trap to close/get tighter. He should have stepped through the trap strong. Then maybe there is firm contact and he gets a call. At the very least, throw the ball the length of the floor…..

Traps are hard for us/me because you have multiple hands/bodies to look at. There are also feet involved. I know at times I get too close trying to see the hands and lose track of the feet. I don't think the officials could have done anything different on that play. There was a slight bump but not enough to call imo. The player just didn't handle it right.

No, the excitement comes from last second shots to win (which happens much more often than this situation ever will).

Maybe, but there's something to be said for making them earn it (Iowa kid here who had a devastating weekend.)

Thanks for the youtube clip of plays together. It helps me to understand why the officials at that level are so good. They call the game consistently throughout. Not bailing out the offense but allowing defenders in good positions to play defense and force offense to earn it. I am guilty of [at least I think I am] giving in to offense for a slight bump on occasion. I also like an earlier post of coaching offense to stand up straight and not even give defense more help by allowing them to close in.

Should have been a foul on white 3. Using the this years new rule on an offensive cylinder, white clearly violated the UNI players cylinder and the bump that lead to the turnover, should have been a defensive foul. That being said, the UNI player could have made it a much easier play to officiate by simply stepping into the defensive player instead of continuing to lean further backwards.

I'm extremely biased, so I've withheld comment anytime someone brings this up to me, but any thoughts on the &1 called on Jesperson toward the end of regulation? Obviously any call that goes against UNI is garbage, so I'm just wondering if you guys would be right or wrong;)

I did not watch the entire game, only the last couple of minutes of regulation and the overtimes. I thought the contact on that play was incidental and most likely would not have had a foul. However, if similar plays were ruled fouls throughout the contest than I would find that an acceptable call.

It's impossible to win a game with both hands firmly wrapped around your own throat. :D

Since the other thread got deleted, and my post with it, I'll restate what I said previously.

On the blocking foul, I thought the contact was pretty minor, and could've been let go, but it did appear to cause the shooter to land awkwardly, so I can understand why it was called.

On the throw-in/trap play, regardless of potential travel, foul or no foul, what struck me was the GREAT example of the C going where he needed to go to officiate the play. A lot of officials (and I include myself in that group) wouldn't have gone that deep into the backcourt to get the look, and he ended up all the way on the backcourt end line. Will definitely have to remember that when next season comes around.

I have one supervisor who says get wherever you need to get to referee the play

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I'm not sure we could reach that far up our #$% to reach our throats at that point. Our heads were pretty far up there at that point.

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Here is some video with this play.
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Peace

Ha, you shouldn't have posted that. We just got Adam and unigiantslayer off the edge of a tall building. Most painful loss I've EVER seen...

I think this is a foul. Even without the push at the end, I think this is the cylinder play NCAA wants called. The video bulletin posted on arbiter several months ago discussed cylinder plays and I still struggle to pick these up. The difference between good trap defense and a foul is tough to distinguish, and for me, the gray area got a lot bigger with the mid season video bulletin.

With that said, I do think this is a foul. First for violating the offensive players cylinder and then for pushing and displacing him.

I posted what was asked for review. I am actually rather neutral on the call or the situation. I have no issue with a foul not being called.

Peace

I know. I was kidding. Not commenting about the play. Our Northern Iowa folks would just as soon forget the game. Tough, tough loss.

I thought the same thing. The UNI player did himself no favors by continuing to give his ground though.

As for the And-1 Jamie Luckie made that has been criticized by most, including myself, I just saw an angle that clearly vindicates him. On the CBS Sports March Madness show I just saw the play from a camera that was on the far end line looking right down the middle of the court. The UNI defender jumps sideways into the ND player and his hip takes out the shooter's legs, which is why he landed awkwardly.

When I watched the play live the first thought I had was the official got things backward. There was contact but not severe. Hold whistle and if ball goes in pass. If not, get it even late. The ball went in and then he blew. Doesn't matter. Refereeing is hard. 4 turnovers in 33 seconds is on UNI.

UNI's turnovers are completely irrelevant to the discussion of this play. I leave the analysis of why UNI lost to the fans. I just know the camera angle I saw shows a clear foul on this play.

Texas A+M / UNI
 

That was a foul on white 3 and should have been called. The stupidity of defenders in that situation always boggles my mind. You have the guy trapped in the corner and you just need to hold your ground and keep your hands up but instead you push and grab and turn an advantage to a foul in many of these situations. Just as we shouldn't hesitate to reward good defense, we also shouldn't hesitate to penalize bad defense that results in a foul. Shame on the C for not making a call there. It looks to me as if he is visually more focused on the offensive player than refereeing the defense.

Just to be clear, the shove at the end is beside the point. The ball handler is repeatedly fouled to the point where he can't maintain his pivot foot and then loses his balance. These things didn't happen on their own. They happened because of the contact by the defense. I don't see how that cannot be a foul.


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