Seton Hall/Xavier continuous motion (video request)
 

Block called with 0:29.0 left in 2nd half. Was ruled a non-shooting foul.

Fine, fine. I'll answer my own request (I was going to bed when I made the OP :p )



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If this was NBA, definitely continuation. If NFHS, then no. NCAA, flip a coin.

In my opinion, it was not continuation. I don't think his arm movement with the ball when the whistle was blown was part of starting a shot.

The rule in the NBA is basically the same as the NF rule.

NCAA is only different because they require an upward motion.

Peace

NFHS and NBA rule is just about the same. NCAA-M is more restrictive.

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Doesn't upward motion only apply to an airborne shooter? The illegal contact in this play was before the BH/D left the floor.

Also, after a quick scan of the NCAAM rule book I don't see the word "upward" used in connection with airborne shooter situations.

We've been told to interpret upward motion as the beginning of the shot.

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Looks like a non-shooting common foul to me. Upward motion started a full step after initial defensive contact IMO...however, the "gather" took place right at contact. What do you want to use as the start of the "habitual throwing movement"?

Forget upward motion, that's a charging foul.
Why is the Lead jumping on this play? This is the C's call. It is a primary defender from above the FT line. Watch the movement of the C after the whistle. I believe that he is going the other way.

Good thing that the L saved the C, cause that would've been a horrible call, IMO.

I feel there is some legitimacy in Nevada's point.

Eh, I don't. I don't think the defender kept LGP.

http://fronheiser.net/LGP.png

Didn't notice as I watched it live. Yeah, C was loading up to ship that the other way.

But if you throw yourself into the defender, LGP may not apply.

Peace

He's past the defender, who bumps him from behind. I just don't see how you put this on the offensive player...

Yes C was going the other way. The upward motion stuff is in AR 111:

"Examples of the act of shooting include raising the ball up with the hand or arms to shoot a layup or jump shot.....This act of shooting does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball or advancing on the court with one or both feet."

The NCAAM continuous motion rule does not include the foot movement language that is in the nfhs definition.

Thanks. I downloaded the rule book but not the case book.

Don't be confused. The NFHS continuous motion rule REQUIRES the act of shooting to begin in order for the player to THEN be given the right to complete his customary foot movement and pivoting. The reverse is not true. The foot movement doesn't not equate to the start of the act of shooting.

Simply not true. The defender is in front the entire time. He is allowed to turn his body sideways after already having established ILGP. The offensive player puts his shoulder down and leads with it as he rams into the defender. The offensive player is not airborne at the time of contact, so the sideways movement of the defender is not a factor.

This is an easy PC.

Disagree. Guess we may as well move on.

I would NOT have a shot under NFHS or NCAA.

And, I have a block.

I don't see him extend his arm or anything that would've made me think offensive, so I've got a block with no shots.

I see it. But one could argue that the defender was not legal at the time of contact. I think either call can be supported.

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No