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Luv4Asian8 Thu Sep 18, 2003 04:29pm

I'm still new, don't forget please. :-) But I've read in the NFHS that throw-in locations were a concern.

Situation from last night: I was lead (as Umpire). Ball went OOB on end line by defense. I took ball out on my sideline, I didn't hear any complaints from the Referee, but sure did from the player in-bounding the ball.

The reason I took it out on sideline was because I read/heard somewhere that for the offense to in-bound under the basket was TOO ADVANTAGEOUS to them...just pass to post and shoot basket - 2pts.

Was my reasoning correct?

BktBallRef Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:05pm

No, it wasn't. If the ball goes OOB on the endline, that's where you put it in play. yes, it's advantageuos to the offense but the defense knocked the ball OOB. Who are we to take away that advantage?

rainmaker Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:07pm

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Originally posted by Luv4Asian8
I'm still new, don't forget please. :-) But I've read in the NFHS that throw-in locations were a concern.

Situation from last night: I was lead (as Umpire). Ball went OOB on end line by defense. I took ball out on my sideline, I didn't hear any complaints from the Referee, but sure did from the player in-bounding the ball.

The reason I took it out on sideline was because I read/heard somewhere that for the offense to in-bound under the basket was TOO ADVANTAGEOUS to them...just pass to post and shoot basket - 2pts.

Was my reasoning correct?

Your reasoning is correct from the defensive coach's point of view, but not according to the rule book. The rule is clearly that the ball is thrown-in from the spot nearest to the infraction. If that infraction is OOB, the ball comes back inbounds where it went out. Remember defense committed an infraction here. They are receiving consequences -- which could well include a basket. Next time, perhaps they can arrange for the ball to go out on the sideline instead. Also remember that you have no discretion in this call. There's no judgment allowed. The ball comes in where the ball went out. Period.

BktBallRef Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:08pm

Gotcha again! :D

rainmaker Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:09pm

Doggone it!! I thought maybe that little breeze would slow you down a little.

Luv4Asian8 Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:25pm

EDUCATED, once again! Thanks guys!

Kelvin green Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:38pm

There are a couple of times however hat common sense dictates moving the all slightly. You will never take the ball directly undeneath the basket. You dont want to get blamed if the kid throws the ball against the backboard or something like that. take it to closes FT Lane line...

If it goes out in at the intersection of baseline and endline I use the sideline up a step or so, because the administration is easier ( you could move on aseline a step or so from the corner)

If there is a small floor and the table is too close or something use common sense but has been mentioned closest to the spot is the rule

92 days of 100 plus degees before a cold streak of 94 degrees broke it for us...

Camron Rust Thu Sep 18, 2003 05:39pm

One exception to what other have mentioned that may be confusing you.

If the spot where it goes out of bounds is <em>directly</em> behind the basket (between the lane lines extended), the throw-in spot should be moved not to the sideline but just outside the lane line and still on the endline.

rainmaker Fri Sep 19, 2003 02:31am

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Originally posted by Kelvin green
There are a couple of times however hat common sense dictates moving the all slightly. .....( you could move on aseline a step or so from the corner)

Kelvin you need to brush the sand out of your keyboard!

Also, there's more to your suggestion than common sense -- it's a rule not to inbounds behind the basket. It's definitely a common sense rule, though!

DrakeM Fri Sep 19, 2003 01:39pm

Juulie,

It's not sand. Kelvin can't spell WITH a clean keyboard! :D
Kelvin, glad to see you're still kickin'! Drop me a line.

Drake

Kelvin green Fri Sep 19, 2003 08:19pm

You ought to see my keyboard-
Actually the sand/heat killed two keyboards- 10 CD players-( out of the 10 we had in our unit's PC's) and two large ink jet printers

Althought Drake is generally right- There are some things I can spell

T T T ---Coach youre out of the gym come to mind-

Drake I'll drop you a line this weekend

rainmaker Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:34pm

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Originally posted by Kelvin green
Althought Drake is generally right- There are some things I can spell

T T T ---Coach youre out of the gym come to mind-

I spell this with two T's, not three!

Jurassic Referee Sat Sep 20, 2003 12:55am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Kelvin green

T T T ---Coach youre out of the gym come to mind-

I spell this with two T's, not three!

Only if they're both direct T's.Could also be 3 indirect T's,or maybe 1 direct and 2 indirects to make up the 3.Could also be 1 T only,if it's flagrant.

Kelvin green Sat Sep 20, 2003 08:53pm

you know it was just the sand stciking the keyboard--- one too many t's unless your Ted Valentine calling T's on Bobby Knight...


rainmaker Sat Sep 20, 2003 09:02pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Kelvin green

T T T ---Coach youre out of the gym come to mind-

I spell this with two T's, not three!

Only if they're both direct T's.Could also be 3 indirect T's,or maybe 1 direct and 2 indirects to make up the 3.Could also be 1 T only,if it's flagrant.

Wowwy Wow, JR, you don't miss a tttrick, do you? (ps that's a card game metaphor)

Jurassic Referee Sun Sep 21, 2003 02:48am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
[/B]
Wowwy Wow, JR, you don't miss a <i>tttrick</i>, do you?
[/B][/QUOTE]I may have to get Chuck to explain this to me.

rainmaker Sun Sep 21, 2003 05:36pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Wowwy Wow, JR, you don't miss a <i>tttrick</i>, do you?
[/B]
I may have to get Chuck to explain this to me. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think Chuck is out of town, so I'll explain it.

t-t-t (that's three T's), see? Like in the post about giving three T's?

"take a trick" in playing bridge or euchre means taking the cards that everyone puts on the table, see? It's a good thing. So "don't miss a trick" means you're real sharp, smart, clever, see? So it's a compliment with a joke in it about three T's? Get it(nudge, nudge)?


Jurassic Referee Sun Sep 21, 2003 06:32pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by rainmaker
Wowwy Wow, JR, you don't miss a <i>tttrick</i>, do you?
I may have to get Chuck to explain this to me. [/B]
I think Chuck is out of town, so I'll explain it.

t-t-t (that's three T's), see? Like in the post about giving three T's?

"take a trick" in playing bridge or euchre means taking the cards that everyone puts on the table, see? It's a good thing. So "don't miss a trick" means you're real sharp, smart, clever, see? So it's a compliment with a joke in it about three T's? Get it(nudge, nudge)?

[/B][/QUOTE]Oh,I get it now.

I thought that you were talking about propositioning hookers.

Never mind.

ChuckElias Sun Sep 21, 2003 06:53pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh,I get it now.

I thought that you were talking about propositioning hookers.

I know. That's why I stayed out of it.

rainmaker Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:58pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh,I get it now.

I thought that you were talking about propositioning hookers.

I know. That's why I stayed out of it.

That's why I put in the part about the card game metaphors. Maybe that was too far over your head. Sorry.

Jurassic Referee Mon Sep 22, 2003 07:11am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh,I get it now.

I thought that you were talking about propositioning hookers.

I know. That's why I stayed out of it.

That's why I put in the part about the card game metaphors. Maybe that was too far over your head. Sorry.

Chuck,I'm not sure-but I think that Juulie just dumped on one of us.

Was it you or me?:confused: I need to know before I can respond appropriately.

Camron Rust Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:25am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Kelvin green
Althought Drake is generally right- There are some things I can spell

T T T ---Coach youre out of the gym come to mind-

I spell this with two T's, not three!

I thing there are multiple valid ways to spell this ;)

<LI> <B>T</B>
<LI> t <B>T</B>
<LI> t T <B>T</B>
<LI> T t <B>T</B>
<LI> t t <B>T</B>
<LI> T <B>T</B>
<LI> T T
<LI> t T T
<LI> T t T
<LI> t t T
<LI> t T t
<LI> t t t


[Edited by Camron Rust on Sep 22nd, 2003 at 01:29 PM]

rainmaker Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:33am

Thanks, Camron. That's definitely the computer programmer talking!

Barry C. Morris Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:01pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Chuck,I'm not sure-but I think that Juulie just dumped on one of us.

Was it you or me?:confused: I need to know before I can respond appropriately.
[/QUOTE]


From the tone of her font, I think she was referring to both of you.

ChuckElias Mon Sep 22, 2003 01:18pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Chuck,I'm not sure-but I think that Juulie just dumped on one of us.

Was it you or me?:confused: I need to know before I can respond appropriately.

Shoot. Talked to her today and forgot to ask. She didn't chastise me for it, tho, so I'm thinking that I'm in the clear. :)

Mark Dexter Tue Sep 23, 2003 08:53am

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

I thing there are multiple valid ways to spell this ;)

<LI> <B>T</B>
<LI> t <B>T</B>
<LI> t T <B>T</B>
<LI> T t <B>T</B>
<LI> t t <B>T</B>
<LI> T <B>T</B>
<LI> T T
<LI> t T T
<LI> T t T
<LI> t t T
<LI> t T t
<LI> t t t


[Edited by Camron Rust on Sep 22nd, 2003 at 01:29 PM]

And let's not forget the Bobby Knight spelling - T T T!!!


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