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deecee Sun Feb 28, 2016 06:22pm

Ohio State v Iowa Couple play requests
 
Double foul with about 1 minute left in the 2nd half. I thought it should have been double T's.

Final 6 seconds Ohio player runs over screen no call.

blindzebra Sun Feb 28, 2016 06:29pm

Good chance that the Iowa player got hit in the head on the drive to the basket as well.

JRutledge Sun Feb 28, 2016 06:53pm

Iowa @ Ohio State (Video)
 
Here is the play in total.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RkiTEh3norI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Camron Rust Sun Feb 28, 2016 07:15pm

Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.

And on the final shot...he may have touched the hair, but that was a great blocked shot. No call from me on that.

JRutledge Sun Feb 28, 2016 07:21pm

Play 2:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZP6ekaf9jdM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play 3:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VtVZ6ZyXHMs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

deecee Sun Feb 28, 2016 08:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 982692)
Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.

Where do you get that from?

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Rut how about the double foul at about 1 minute left in the second half during a dead ball that they didn't call double T's?

JRutledge Sun Feb 28, 2016 08:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 982699)
Where do you get that from?

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Rut how about the double foul at about 1 minute left in the second half during a dead ball that they didn't call double T's?

The only foul would be on the Ohio player. I have no foul on a player that set the screen as he was there and gave time and distance IMO.

Peace

deecee Sun Feb 28, 2016 08:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 982704)
The only foul would be on the Ohio player. I have no foul on a player that set the screen as he was there and gave time and distance IMO.

Peace

Yes I agree. I was asking Camron where he got his ruling from.

What I'm asking you is that at about 1 minute remaining in the second half there was a made basket and a tustle after the fact that was called a double foul versus double T's.

That's the video I was asking for.

Camron Rust Sun Feb 28, 2016 09:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 982699)
Where do you get that from?

Rule 4-40-7.
Quote:

A player who is screened within his/her visual field is expected to avoid contact by going around the screener. In cases of screens outside the visual field, the opponent may make inadvertent contact with the screener and if the opponent is running rapidly, the contact may be severe. Such a case is to be ruled as incidental contact provided the opponent stops or attempts to stop on contact and moves around the screen, and provided the screener is not displaced if he/she has the ball.

JRutledge Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:14am

Here is the play....(Video)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 982705)
What I'm asking you is that at about 1 minute remaining in the second half there was a made basket and a tustle after the fact that was called a double foul versus double T's.

That's the video I was asking for.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QXPk2V___T8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:59am

For the double foul, the contact starts before the ball enters the basket. The fling by the Iowa player comes after.
If a double foul is called (as it was in the game), it should be personal. Otherwise, a case can be made for a single DBCTF against Iowa.

deecee Mon Feb 29, 2016 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 982717)
Rule 4-40-7.

Camron this doesn't exist in the ncaam rulebook and I can't find anything similar.

But it's good to know for HS, thanks.

johnny d Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 982739)
Camron this doesn't exist in the ncaam rulebook and I can't find anything similar.

But it's good to know for HS, thanks.

It is in the NCAA-M book as well, you need to look harder. Also, this has been covered in one of Adam's videos. Look through the archive, you will find the play. Camron has it exactly right.

dahoopref Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 982692)
Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.

And on the final shot...he may have touched the hair, but that was a great blocked shot. No call from me on that.

From the 2015-16 NCAAM Rulebook pg. 54
Quote:

Rule 4, Section 34 Art. 2. In establishing and maintaining legal screening tactics, the screener shall:
a. Stay within his vertical plane with a stance no wider than shoulder
width apart
and shall not lean into the path of an opponent or extend
hips into that path, even though the feet are stationary.
It's clear that the Iowa player stood wider than his shoulder width apart but such a tough play to call being in transition with all the factors the T has to officiate; I can understand the no-call.

Rich Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 982775)
From the 2015-16 NCAAM Rulebook pg. 54


It's clear that the Iowa player stood wider than his shoulder width apart but such a tough play to call being in transition with all the factors the T has to officiate; I can understand the no-call.

I don't care how wide the legs are if the contact is square in the torso -- I only care about the width of the legs when the screened player hits or goes over the outstretched leg.

BigCat Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 982739)
Camron this doesn't exist in the ncaam rulebook and I can't find anything similar.

But it's good to know for HS, thanks.

It's in the incidental contact definition. player screened outside visual field may make inadvertent contact with the screener. Contact "shall" be incidental unless screener has the ball and is displaced.

I also believe they got both calls right.

bob jenkins Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 982779)
It's in the incidental contact definition. player screened outside visual field may make inadvertent contact with the screener. Contact "shall" be incidental unless screener has the ball and is displaced.

I also believe they got both calls right.

4-21 Art. 5. A player who is screened outside his visual field may make inadvertent
contact with the screener. Such contact shall be incidental, provided that the
screener is not displaced when he has the ball.

deecee Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 982786)
4-21 Art. 5. A player who is screened outside his visual field may make inadvertent
contact with the screener. Such contact shall be incidental, provided that the
screener is not displaced when he has the ball.

thanks guys.

Adam Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 982692)
Great no-call on the screen. It was legally set and did what it was designed to do. The screened player doesn't have to avoid contact on a blind screen like that.

And on the final shot...he may have touched the hair, but that was a great blocked shot. No call from me on that.

Huge Hawkeye fan, you're right on both counts.

I was watching at a restaurant while having a late lunch with my wife. I couldn't figure out why they stopped play right before this since I was watching the TV across the restaurant.

Can anyone tell me what happened on the play before this?

Adam Mon Feb 29, 2016 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 982693)
Play 3:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VtVZ6ZyXHMs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

I thought it should have been an F1 upgrade.

But I'm biased.

jhc2010 Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:52pm

How about the 3-point shot that was changed to a 2-pointer in the closing minutes. Having been at the game, they did not show any replays on the Jumbotron.

Why was the delay so lengthy and then why did the officials get back together after OSU's coaching staff questioned the reversal?

JRutledge Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhc2010 (Post 982877)
How about the 3-point shot that was changed to a 2-pointer in the closing minutes. Having been at the game, they did not show any replays on the Jumbotron.

Why was the delay so lengthy and then why did the officials get back together after OSU's coaching staff questioned the reversal?

Do you remember the time in the game when that happened? I saw that and I thought they missed it, but then again I am not sure they saw everything the TV people saw in the way they blew up the screen.

Peace


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