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JRutledge Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:18pm

Duke @ Louisville Transition Block Called by Lead
 
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Dad Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:20pm

What did the defense do wrong?

DrPete Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 981926)
What did the defense do wrong?


+1
This is not the usual 50-50 play that is debated here, looks like a player control foul from any angle.


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Camron Rust Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:58pm

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Originally Posted by Dad (Post 981926)
What did the defense do wrong?

Absolutely nothing.

VaTerp Mon Feb 22, 2016 01:15pm

A rather bad miss IMO.

Looks like a fairly easy PC in real time.

WhistlesAndStripes Mon Feb 22, 2016 01:17pm

These are the kinds of plays that have all the Duke haters saying, "Duke gets all the calls!!":D:p:D:p:D:p:D

JRutledge Mon Feb 22, 2016 01:19pm

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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 981947)
These are the kinds of plays that have all the Duke haters saying, "Duke gets all the calls!!":D:p:D:p:D:p:D

That logic did not work in this game. Duke got "screwed" a few times. ;)

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DrPete Mon Feb 22, 2016 01:42pm

I like to see the "big boys" miss these calls occasionally, it makes me not feel so bad when I second guess my own questionable calls.


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ChuckS Mon Feb 22, 2016 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 981956)
I like to see the "big boys" miss these calls occasionally, it makes me not feel so bad when I second guess my own questionable calls.


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I felt the same way last week in the Iowa St/Texas game, 2:57 to go, there was a throw-in after a made basket. The defender kicked the throw-in pass OOB. The official indicated that the next throw-in was to be a designated spot throw-in. The other official had to come running in to correct him, that they could still run the end line. (Of course, 1 mistake by NCAA officials, does not make up for all my 1st year mistakes LOL).

Camron Rust Mon Feb 22, 2016 03:17pm

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Originally Posted by DrPete (Post 981956)
I like to see the "big boys" miss these calls occasionally, it makes me not feel so bad when I second guess my own questionable calls.


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Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observe, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.

Raymond Mon Feb 22, 2016 03:25pm

I have a PC by a non-airborne offensive player.

Rich Mon Feb 22, 2016 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 981985)
Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observer, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.

I really don't think so. I think that some calls just get missed. There are a LOT of PC fouls called in HS/college basketball, so many more than when I started back in the 1980s when it seemed the default call was always a block.

Sometimes I think we do a good job of refereeing the defense but don't always pick up when the offensive player is airborne, which is just as important. Couple that with an L trying to get in position....and maybe he just missed one.

Dad Mon Feb 22, 2016 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 981985)
Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observer, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.

Do you think that's an issue at this level?

JRutledge Mon Feb 22, 2016 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 981985)
Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observer, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.

I think this is the default call for many officials and if we look at the mentality of most people in the game (not officials) they think any call like this should be on the defender.

I also think that he probably was not "refereeing the defense" and the contact blew up on him and he called what he knew and called a block. I do not think the rule has much to do with this call. I think he called what was "safe" and calling a charge in this situation usually brings more scrutiny.

And if you listen to a few of the videos I posted recently, Jay Bilas feels the exact same way about most of these plays. That is why when I call a block on any play like this, I hear the same rhetoric about what the defender did not do. It is not so much about the rule as it is about what are you going to get crap about and scrutinized.

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SNIPERBBB Mon Feb 22, 2016 04:04pm

I've hard some officials around home that you'll get less grief calling a block than a charge. Which is largely true unfortunately.


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