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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:18pm
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Duke @ Louisville Transition Block Called by Lead



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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:20pm
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What did the defense do wrong?
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What did the defense do wrong?

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This is not the usual 50-50 play that is debated here, looks like a player control foul from any angle.


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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 12:58pm
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What did the defense do wrong?
Absolutely nothing.
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A rather bad miss IMO.

Looks like a fairly easy PC in real time.
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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:17pm
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These are the kinds of plays that have all the Duke haters saying, "Duke gets all the calls!!"
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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:19pm
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These are the kinds of plays that have all the Duke haters saying, "Duke gets all the calls!!"
That logic did not work in this game. Duke got "screwed" a few times.

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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:42pm
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I like to see the "big boys" miss these calls occasionally, it makes me not feel so bad when I second guess my own questionable calls.


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I like to see the "big boys" miss these calls occasionally, it makes me not feel so bad when I second guess my own questionable calls.


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I felt the same way last week in the Iowa St/Texas game, 2:57 to go, there was a throw-in after a made basket. The defender kicked the throw-in pass OOB. The official indicated that the next throw-in was to be a designated spot throw-in. The other official had to come running in to correct him, that they could still run the end line. (Of course, 1 mistake by NCAA officials, does not make up for all my 1st year mistakes LOL).
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Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observe, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.
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Old Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:25pm
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I have a PC by a non-airborne offensive player.
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Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observer, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.
I really don't think so. I think that some calls just get missed. There are a LOT of PC fouls called in HS/college basketball, so many more than when I started back in the 1980s when it seemed the default call was always a block.

Sometimes I think we do a good job of refereeing the defense but don't always pick up when the offensive player is airborne, which is just as important. Couple that with an L trying to get in position....and maybe he just missed one.
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Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observer, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.
Do you think that's an issue at this level?
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Unfortunately, it seems to too often be the case that these plays just get called this way. By what we too often observer, it seems that there is a large number of officials that just think the defender has to be "set" to draw a charge.
I think this is the default call for many officials and if we look at the mentality of most people in the game (not officials) they think any call like this should be on the defender.

I also think that he probably was not "refereeing the defense" and the contact blew up on him and he called what he knew and called a block. I do not think the rule has much to do with this call. I think he called what was "safe" and calling a charge in this situation usually brings more scrutiny.

And if you listen to a few of the videos I posted recently, Jay Bilas feels the exact same way about most of these plays. That is why when I call a block on any play like this, I hear the same rhetoric about what the defender did not do. It is not so much about the rule as it is about what are you going to get crap about and scrutinized.

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I've hard some officials around home that you'll get less grief calling a block than a charge. Which is largely true unfortunately.
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